[Gibbon1]

> The fact that hospital capacity was not overrun in either state underscores the validity of the comparison.

Just a tidbit: One UCSF doctor that went to help out in New York reported the hospital he was in converted their cafeteria to a ventilator ward.

And New York was relying on a lot of doctors and nurses from other parts of the country. Not to mention pressing doctors and nurses from other specialties.

I just say this because the covid19 deniers are trying hard to normalize things like what happened in New York.

[unclebucknasty]

Agreed. These people aren't really interested in the facts or science. They have a conclusion. Everything else is a pseudoscientific veneer that gets them back to that conclusion.

Further down on this thread (after much goalpost moving and mischaracterization of facts), asabjorn has all but completely abandoned his/her initial assertions: that he/she opposed lockdowns because they are ineffective. It's now about "freedom, 1A and 2A".

Old asabjorn: >most states are now open or are reopening. We are not seeing spikes in coronavirus cases

New asabjorn: >I never claimed no reopened state will see some increases in covid cases, some do and some don't

I had to push really hard through all of his/her contortions to extract this and other concessions.

But, remarkably, this person just kept right on moving as if his/her entire argument wasn't based on the effectiveness of the lockdown. Then, went on to talk about tyranny and fighting for our freedom.