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by cecilpl 2222 days ago
Every time Facebook is buying something I feel sad and imagine Facebook like the black plague that will swallow that normal organism.
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The owners of giphy don't feel the same pangs I'm sure
And if they do I'm sure they'll have enough cash to dry their eyes with
I'm pretty sure there is a woody harrelson gif for that
giphy has a .gif of that
I mean, it worked out great for the Instagram guys, right?
Not just for the personal finances of the Instagram founders and team. The Instagram acquisition has been, as far as I can tell, a huge success for Facebook.
Maybe..?

I can imagine an alternate 2020 where an independent Instagram is growing like a weed and the founders are much more wealthy.

Most people on this site couldn't imagine it back then:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3817850

Didn't work too well for the Whatsapp team ...
They will once they see what Facebook turns them into.
Immensely wealthy people? I'm sure those pangs are awful.
Why? They have a tendency to better products they acquire, look at whatsapp, instagram, oculus.
True, but they are, well...Facebook. Their stigma is just too strong to be forget/forgive overnight.
Don't put everyone in the same basket, I have no problems against them.
It's not like back when Yahoo would buy and immediately kill everything it touched.
It's a great match. They're both hype-mongering companies which add no value whatsoever to society.
FB has dramatically reduced ad spend waste. Not sure how anyone can call that valueless. Moreover, though you may be annoyed by your mother-in-law's minion memes, Facebook is a (free) vital communication tool for millions who are less privileged than you.

The facebook hate really just gets out of hand sometimes.

No one denies Facebook makes good products. It’s the egregious and intentional abuse of trust and privacy, with an act now and apologize later mentality that everyone hates. And rightfully so.
Am I out of touch? No, it's the 1.6B daily active users who are wrong.
Look at it as at a bad but addictive habit.

Hundreds of millions of smokers do harm their health, and through it their own and their neighbors' wealth. But quitting is indeed hard.

You can’t seriously compare smoking and keeping up with friends and family, which is the reason that drives most of the usage of Facebook.
You can’t seriously compare smoking and keeping up with friends and family

You must come from a nice family.

Some people don't. Some people are actively in hiding from their families and things like that.

Some schizophrenics go to in-patient treatment, get better, go home to their nutty relatives and get worse again. This is a known thing.

> You can’t seriously compare smoking and keeping up with friends and family

You're right: It's easy to smoke outside without harming anyone but yourself -- and even if you smoke indoors, you only harm one room full of people at a time.

No doubt that smoking is way worse than using Facebook. But using Facebook (and similar sites) can cause mental health issues which should be taken seriously.
I'd argue a gif sent to someone during a heated conversation can make it light and end up funny. This goes for anything that anyone uses. I wouldn't compare this with smoking though.
You know what else could have the same effect? the right set of words. those are untraceable and they take up little bandwidth.
Hmmm, 1.6B do what exactly? Scrolling mindlessly through algorithm-curated feed that ensure users always got the right amount to dopamine to keep them scrolling for hours? Look around you, people that glue to their screen all the time without realized they are being engineered to do what Facebook want them to do, is that really actually good for society?

Don't get me wrong, I use Facebook once in a while to keep in touch with my friends, and in rare occurrence I even feel "Damn, I'm thankful that Facebook exist" I can see the good in them, but the problem they cause to society cannot be denied. The witch hunt, the cyberbully, the echo chambers, the life's hilight showreel effect, the "do whatever in order to get the Like", etc. (Ugh, I need two A4 to list them all!) These problems may existed since the dawn of internet, but it is amplified by social media, and many of them pioneered by Facebook.

So... yeah.

I log into FB about once a day and see some pictures of friends who live far away and their children. Sometimes people post funny things. A couple of friends occasionally post interesting or thought provoking articles. My experience as a user is almost entirely positive.

Meanwhile at some level I know it can and is being used in abusive and bad ways. Cyber-bullying, sure. The ever-present outrage machine, pitting the God-loving Americans against the God-hating ones, certainly thrives there. And I once read something or other about enabling horrible hate crimes in Myanmar. And the company itself seems to be a scandal factory, bent on a kind of dystopian mission of collecting data on everyone.

I do struggle a bit with how much to blame the company versus, well, the people who are misusing it. I think a constant lesson of this whole internet thing has been: you can develop the most utterly amazing tools ever, but at least some of your users will take them and use them to be absolute shits.

A thing can have good aspects while being a net negative.
Agreed. This isn’t a whatsapp or an instagram, let Facebook eat it who cares.
This exactly. Kara Swisher's interview with Sarah Frier on how Instagram went really paints the picture. https://overcast.fm/+QLdurp-A8
That interview was bad. They're trying to make you feel bad for the Instagram founders because they were too stupid to realize that after you _sell_ your company you don't own it anymore. Also, per that interview, Instagram only became sustainable under Facebook.

Hard to feel bad about it.

> Instagram only became sustainable under Facebook.

That's an incredible leap to say IG couldn't develop their own ad network as a stand alone company. Hire a few people away from Google with options in a growing company the same way FB did.

If IG didn't sell they would have fully killed Facebook's relevancy by now.

Yeah, but the IG founders didn't want to put ads on the product at all. It was not a sustainable business while in their control.
Do you have a source that they refused any ads at all? There's a difference between having a few tasteful ones and overloading it like it currently is.