[Lost_BiomedE]

Agreed. The current confidence you speak of is smoke and mirrors, the arrogance hits a brick wall and turns to depression.

In regards to math through programming, I always wondered how well it would work to have a supervised lab that students could use to write up a program verified as their own. Then, allow the student to use this in coursework. The geeks currently do it behind the scenes with their TI calculators anyway. Of course, increasing complexity of coursework would require them to revisit or rewrite their programs.

[yarian]

I don't teach math the way you are thinking about it though. What I mean by math is more like the way of thinking and not specific math concepts.

I mean they learn boolean logic but really it is more of gaining comfort with defining and working with functions, domain, range, and variables.