[hugofloss]

For me the walled garden of iOS attracts me to the platform. Its apps are relatively safe, stable and curated. Sure, these restrictions might suck for you as a power user. For me, someone who makes phone calls, chats with family, takes pictures and reads the news this is just perfect. I don't need to think a lot about security because the platform thinks about it for me. For you it feels like prison, for me it feels like one thing less to worry about. For you it's ill-designed, for me it's designed for me the consumer.

I'm curious what your definition of robust is.

[ken]

Not the person you were responding to, but: implements security with fine-grained and system-enforced permissions, not human approval for apps.

One of these methods has a much better track record than the other.

[soulofmischief]

It sucks for me as a power user because I prefer Apple's corporate ethos, but their increasingly quirky UI and no recourse for things like alternative launchers make it an automatic no-go because I can't stand Apple's interfaces. It seems silly to most people but I get physical anxiety from interfaces which don't behave consistently or make me feel claustrophobic, and I've grown tired of relearning iOS every few years. To the point where I'm using hole-ridden Android devices with bags of telemetry by default, but with a consistent launcher I've used for many years and know how to navigate. No hidden UI tricks.

If Apple would allow people like me to control the devices we buy, I would finally have a home in the mobile market.

[dkonofalski]

>but I get physical anxiety from interfaces which don't behave consistently or make me feel claustrophobic

I feel terribly for you. I can't imagine being in my own way so much that Apple's UI would give me physical anxiety.

[soulofmischief]

It's not "in my own way", it's some kind of physical disorder where I legitimately get a sense of panic if things aren't responsive for more than a couple hundred milliseconds when they should be, a great example would be when explorer.exe jams up in Windows and everything severely stutters.

I wish I didn't deal with this but a little sensitivity towards users like me would be nice instead of ironically writing us off as close-minded. I have diagnosed OCD and it's just a facet of that. It can be quite frustrating at times when I'm trying to use an interface and, say, intrusive thoughts lead me to repeating body movements like clicking or picking up and dropping my mouse and next thing I know my browser is closed and I've opened up another program without even realizing. Like it happens all day while I'm working and the more invisible my interface the better. It's not easy to overcome these physical impulses and reactions. I still deal with vocal tics and stuff like that.

[dkonofalski]

That doesn't really sound like an issue with the interface, though. Again, I'm sorry you have to deal with that but you're basically saying that companies need to account for the possibility that someone who clicked the "X" to close a window may not have intended to close the window. That's just crazy talk.

[soulofmischief]

No, that's not what I said. If you want to have this discussion in good faith then let's not mince words.

I said a proper platform allows user control and customization over the interface, providing a way for users to continue using interfaces that make sense to them even if some young engineer at Apple finds a clever new way to shove some functionality into a screen gesture.

This isn't crazy talk. It's exactly how my Linux-based computer and Android-based phone operate and I've been using the same window manager / launcher for over a decade, while the mainstream default ones like Gnome 3 continue to make the strangest and most anti-user design decisions. I just bought a MIUI phone and if I couldn't flash my own Paranoid Android ROM in the coming weeks I would have to return this phone because the UI is bonkers.