| You seem to have two basic arguments: 1. That the lock downs were unnecessary/ineffective. And since the evidence and experts disagree with you, it seems incredibly dubious that you're right. As with climate change denial, there is always some minority taking the contrarian view, but the scientific consensus should still rule the day. And even if it does turn out to be true, it was still the scientific consensus during an emergency, so it made sense to do it as the best available option. We can't undo the lock downs and we're already working to phase them out. So there's really no cogent argument here. Also, the comparisons to the flu are a sign you don't have your facts straight. Expert models predicted the potential for millions of dead Americans without intervention. And it seems entirely backed up by the actual data we got from New York. You also don't seem to understand that flattening the curve reduces death, it doesn't just spread it out over time. 2. That the lock downs are bad for freedom. This is entirely based on the slippery slope argument. You can't actually point to any governmental abuse, at all. Every government official seems to be acting entirely in good faith across a massive country. Which is why no reasonable person is worried about this. The people protesting the lock downs are a tiny minority of extremists and contrarians. You have to ask yourself "am I being too extreme in my views, or is every educated/informed person blind to the danger?" and it's pretty obvious which of these is the case. There is simply no justified cause for concern that lock downs are going to become a tool of oppression. The lock downs are happening with the consent of the people and the courts. And it's extremely time-limited, not open-ended. There is absolutely no way the lock downs will go on indefinitely. And there is no way they will happen again without the consent of the people. There is simply no reasonable cause for alarm. P.S. I would expect your position on allowing people to poison their fellow citizens with radioactive material might be similar to your position on poisoning people with a deadly virus. That would be consistent with the extremist views you're espousing. |
The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation
The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies.
... If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-i...
>>We can't undo the lock downs and we're already working to phase them out. So there's really no cogent argument here.
This is simply not true, there are lots of people claiming we should remained locked down for alot longer with many many governors continuing the lock downs when they should be phasing them now, this main link in this thread is about extending the lockdown and several people pointed out the unrealistic "targets" of the Bay area for them to "phase out" the lockdowns
>You can't actually point to any governmental abuse, at all
I guess that depends on your definition of abuse. Lets go through some of the items I am aware of in the US that has occured by the government that I consider abuse
1. CA Police arresting a man in the middle of the ocean by him self
2. police harassing old people on the beach because they dared sit in a chair instead of directly on the sand
3. WI Police threatening a teen child with arrest over a instagram post
4. RI Police stopping all people with a NY Plate for questioning at the border "Papers Please" style
5. RI Governor sending the national guard door to door to question people about their movements, and activities
6. MI Governor banning the sale of gardening supplies while still allowing lottery sales because she need to protect state revenue
7. CT police using drones to monitor people activities to ensure they are conforming to social distancing
8. KY CPS investigating people with large numbers of children for child abuse for failing to "social distance" with each other
9. TX creating a COVID Task force to go undercover to crack down on home based businesses during the lock down
10. Many States banning the sale of Self Protection Tools as "non-essential"
I could probably list dozens or hundreds more abuses by state and local authorities, that is with out getting in the arbitrary definitions of "essential business" many states have come up with, which many of them seem to be purposefully to aid political supporters and ensure the business owned by those supporters were essential, or hypocritical actions like the Chicago Mayor claiming her getting a hair cut was "essential activity" since she is a public figure but it was non-essential for everyone else, the rules for thee but not for me position has been rampant through out this event
>>Every government official seems to be acting entirely in good faith across a massive country.
If you believe that then our definition of "good faith" is very different or you are not paying attention