[cambalache]

If you are an independent service worker yeah, I understand, go the extra mile with your customers, it is good for business. But if you are drone #139098123 in generic corporation X, you should not give a fuck on your reputation as long as you are doing your work. If they dump you, you go and get another job, there is a big world out there.

[sixstringtheory]

> you should not give a fuck on your reputation as long as you are doing your work

But we're talking about reputation based on the quality/quantity of work you do.

I think there's a difference between taking pride in your work, and breaking your back for your employer. I think the former is what's being advocated for in this thread.

Also, if you feel like you're drone #139098123 in a soul sucking abyss, and can't be bothered to be interested in the activity you spend a majority of your waking hours supposedly doing in this short life, then I encourage you to look for something better. I know all too well that it's easier said than done, but it's better to start while you still have the soul sucking job instead of after they "dump you."

[cambalache]

No, the original chain was about the choice of being full-gas all the time for your employer or pace yourself.

[sixstringtheory]

Let me sum up how I saw it go...

-you can get more done if you avoid addictive black holes for attention

--if they don't want you playing around they should pay you more than the salary you agreed to work for

---yup, still getting paid the same. company is getting theirs, go get yours (I think this reply was actually sarcastic)

----how do you live with yourself

-----if you have integrity you're dumb

------most people actually work for money, you'll probably get found out eventually otherwise

-------you won't get found out if you embed yourself in a big enough company where you can hide, rinse and repeat

It sounds less like an argument to pace one's self, and more like cynical entitlement.

[cambalache]

If you think checking reddit or HN at work is a cardinal sin, be my guest and run yourself to the ground doing 80 hours a week with no respite, ignoring that many many studies place peak cognitive performance at 4 hours a day at best,be a "10x" engineer and get promoted.Unless you are laid off, but that rarely happens so dont worry.

[onemoresoop]

This! We average at most 4 hours of concentration a day if we're not interrupted too much. More than that every day of the week leads to burnout. Not worth it even for big bucks because it's your health down the line. $ hours of good brain time is a good deal for the company. The rest is administrative stuff and whatever.

I think all of us end on HN/Reddit (and which is the biggest time drain to me) is to learn stuff. It's not a bad craving to be honest but it is a bit of a black hole. I did turn the noprocrast on at times to get away from it.

[sixstringtheory]

You're still pushing this false dichotomy that you can either surf social media or beat yourself to death. You're arguing against a straw man.

[cambalache]

Yes! The one you created. If you're already working 4-5hours a day (as in actual working) you are giving all to the company. If you answer silly mails or check Reddit or whatever the other 3 hours is actually not a big deal and not a big dip into your productivity. Not a black hole by any means.

If you think otherwise you are not only being "dumb" (compared to the "street-smart company"), you are being an economical irrational agent, so you will naturally be taken advantage of and get worst (not better) returns (not only money, things, like health, free time, meeting a SO, raising a family) in the long term.

The fact that you willfully go to that extreme only shows how toxic is the Calvinistic worldview implanted in many people in the anglo western world and how companies ruthlessly exploit it.