[ycombi3]

I never said it was a massive failure, but many people have switched over the years to some form of Android after getting fed up.

[jtbayly]

>>I'd say that they are more than moderate failures.

So... major failure? Is that what's in between moderate and massive?

If so, I'd love to have a major failure. :)

[ycombi3]

Meaning the central stores they attempt to force on us, not the devices themselves.