[pdonis]

> They can do whatever they like and as users we would never know about it.

> If they wanted to do this they would've done it a decade ago and we likely would've found evidence a decade ago.

Aren't these two sentences contradicting each other?

I don't share your faith in Apple's or Google's commitment to privacy. If the source code for these apps is entirely open so independent third parties can audit it, then we can talk. But taking their public statements at face value, given their past track record, seems extremely naive to me.