[cutemonster]

"strip mine" is in the zdnet article linked above, have a look. (Resells without contributing back in any meaningful way, instead hurting the oss company financially).

"Destroyed" was an exaggeration, at least as of today.

However I like and use some of the oss projects Amazon strip mines -- if Amazon instead paid the oss companies a part of want Amazon makes, that'd let those oss projects hire more people, improve the software even more -- and that I would appreciate, and could be made in a mutually beneficial way I think.

[pabs3]

This isn't a new problem, for eg web hosting companies have been selling Apache/PHP hosting for decades. Apache and PHP were made more useful because of that reselling rather than being negatively affected by it. I think the only difference now is these OSS companies are VC backed so they have to get huge growth to pay back their giant loans.

I watched a talk recently that argued that Amazon increases the size of the market available for the software the OSS companies are producing. So the pie increases in size and the result is likely to be more money available for the software, not less.

The OSS companies you refer to are more about using OSS as the new shareware, a loss leader or poison pill to sell proprietary software, their business model isn't about open source at all.

[cutemonster]

> 'the only difference now is these OSS companies are VC backed so they have to get huge growth'

That's a good point.

> their business model isn't about open source at all.

(What do you consider open source biz models?)

> OSS as the new shareware

I think I understand what you mean. At the same time, in my case using only the OSS parts of the open core software, has been more than what I've needed

> I watched a talk recently

That talk sounds interesting, ... If you remember the name or speaker maybe I can find it?

[pabs3]

> What do you consider open source biz models?

Something that doesn't involve proprietary software, so support or pure-OSS SaaSS. Like RedHat.

> If you remember the name or speaker maybe I can find it?

I think it may have been one by either NextCloud or RedHat, I'll try to find it.

[pabs3]

It wasn't the talk I was thinking of, but this NextCloud talk discusses various OSS business models and mentions the AWS vs VC-OSS issue, especially during the questions section.

https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/gpl_and_business/

[cutemonster]

Thanks, I'll have a look, sorry for the late reply

[pabs3]

Another talk by NextCloud, also not the one I was thinking of:

https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/why-i-forked-m...

[cutemonster]

Thanks