[amiga_500]

> consistently underpaid for the value delivered.

this is not how prices are set. If you don't like how they are set then you don't like capitalism, where capitalists pay labour, and labour have to work because they need to live.

That's all fine, but let's be clear on how the price of wages are set. It is not "value created - some 'fair value'" for capitalists.

If people could refuse to work because they didn't have to pay rent and had access to the commons to get food or work for themselves, we might see capitalists having to share the spoils more.

But we have full enclosure.

[bb88]

> this is not how prices are set.

Right, CEO salaries skyrocket, not necessarily because of the value they create, but because they can get the board and stockholders to back them more than the people actually creating value in a company.

They can do this in the form of stock buybacks, dividends, etc.

The standard software engineer does not have the power to "bribe" the stockholders in that way.

[sizzle]

The standard software engineer should wise up and start their own side company and sell it back to their previous employer.

[asiachick]

I quit FAANG and started doing my own thing. I found I hated a ll the paperwork. Dealing with taxes, accounts receivable, accounts payable, business registration, finding clients, meeting with clients, networking for new work, unmovable deadlines, pressure, fears of disappointing a client or the client being late on payment or me being late on filing some form my government requires but I have no idea I need, or a million other things.

I realized that some level of not getting 100% of the value i generate is worth it to have someone else deal with all that stuff.

I'm not saying whether or not engineers are underpaid for the value they create but it's worth something > 0

[Rury]

May I ask which of that you found to be the most difficult?

I've been thinking of going the same route, and I'm confident I can handle the paperwork and deliver, but it's the finding the clients part that worries me the most. Not sure if the problems I see are widespread enough to warrant founding a business and going through all that...

[Nerevarine76]

CEOs' decision making has far more impact on the revenue of a company than a single engineer, or many engineers. That's why the market rate is very high for them.

If there were only a handful of qualified engineers available on the market, then they'd get paid CEO-like salaries due to the value they provide and being in high demand. But because there is a whole market of qualified engineers they get paid far less.

It's pretty basic economics and doesn't have much to do with stock buybacks/dividends/etc... Regardless of the value of an individual position, wages will be lower or higher depending on the supply of an occupation. In the big picture engineers are very replaceable at market price compared to executives so their wages are reflective of that.

[Falkon1313]

It may be more demand than supply. Plenty of people would love to be CEOs, and have some ability to run a business and delegate, but you can only have one per company. On the other hand, you can have many engineers. If you could only have one engineer per company, their salaries would likely be much higher.

This would be counter-intuitive, because low demand results in high salary, regardless of supply.

[amiga_500]

No the problem is enclosure and land rents.

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