[ethbro]

Nobody contests that.

The negative outlook instead seems to be that since 2010, Facebook (the product, not the engineering team) has delivered little value to society.

And at this point, seems to have ossified into a form that lacks the agility and will to make major shifts.

Their current emphasis on purchasing other companies for their product pipelines, to drive business to their advertising, seems more akin to pharma majors or IBM than anything in the startup world.

[tln]

Facebook delivers value every day to billions of daily active users -- the social updates. The value varies by person but presumably it's positive value for all DAU or they would cease to be DAU.

Perhaps Facebook hasn't increased value delivered for each user for each day that much. Or has even decreased it. But the baseline is definitely "value to society" IMO

Did you mean Facebook has delivered little marginal value?

[ethbro]

I meant what I said.

> since 2010, Facebook (the product, not the engineering team) has delivered little value to society

That requires a different rebuttal than 'to a user.'

If we rewound to ~2010, froze Facebook at its then-current feature set, and had Instagram (2012), WhatsApp (2014), Oculus (2014), and the myriad of other aquhires still in existence as independent companies, society would be a better place.

[tln]

> If we rewound to ~2010, froze Facebook at its then-current feature set, and had Instagram (2012), WhatsApp (2014), Oculus (2014), and the myriad of other aquhires still in existence as independent companies, society would be a better place

Sure, I can see that.

And if Facebook the product went away, society would IMO be in a worse place (until it's replaced :), because Facebook the product is delivering value every day