[mickt]

Old KDE fan where, moved from KDE to Gnome, then back and using Gnome for about 4 or 5 years now.

Last week I tried KDE 4.5.1 that comes with Ubuntu (I do so every now and then to see if I'll move back). After 30 minutes of trying to get Network Manager to start a VPN connection, and Googling for answers and reading the docs, I gave up and started the VPN connection from the command-line.

Now, I'm confused, how hard can it be to start a VPN connection? I clicked, I right-clicked, I reapplied the settings. Or it so simple that this long-time user can't figure it out?

[trotsky]

knetworkmanager having a bug doesn't shock me, though my VPN seems fine in fedora 14 / kde 4.5.5. I did once have to start a wireless network from the command line after knm just refused. While not ideal, I'm sure you could run gnome's nm-applet instead - I don't think your vpn issue is indicative of a general kde quality issue, though everyone has their own standards. openSUSE 11.4 will be out on the 10th - it might be worth trying their livecd for a polished kde-centric view. I feel like Canonical commits most of their resources to their gnome build.

[mickt]

I'm thinking of just going back to old friend Debian (which I run on my Desktop). Ubuntu almost seems to be trying to be so friendly to newbies that it just gets in my way.