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by fao_ 2254 days ago
Can you provide citations for your claims? The commentary in the github renaming issue from 2016(0) seems pretty jovial and has the tone of "oh, actually we should change that, oops" rather than "we WILL replace python!". The comments by guido and harris reinforce this perspective:

    > gvanrossum commented on Dec 10, 2016
    > Since I was asked: The project's name (and its binary name) need to 
    > change. They are misleading. The rest looks acceptable according to 
    > Python's license. This is not an endorsement (far from it).

    > naftaliharris commented on Dec 10, 2016
    > I don't mind renaming this project. Any other suggestions for good 
    > names? I personally like "Pythonesque (/usr/bin/pesque)" the best so 
    > far, thanks @dbohdan! :-)
    >
    > @VanL, not that I'm necessarily picking that, but would a name like
    > that be acceptable?
When you're in a community or a space, actions that are unintentionally hostile towards that community or space, can be seen as intentionally hostile by the members, and if you only hear about it second-hand, or you spend a lot of time around the group, that belief can be reinforced through the discussions and gripes the group has about it(1).

(0): https://github.com/naftaliharris/tauthon/issues/47 (1): That's not to say there aren't bona fide intentionally hostile actions that happen, but rather that's how actions that aren't intended to be hostile can be remembered and percieved as such.

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It was all very disingenuous. It was obvious to everyone, after 8 years of flames, that such a move would have been incendiary. Naftali played dumb only after he was called out on it.

I'm not saying it was entirely his fault - certain widely-heard voices in the community had been advocating for this to happen, in practice, for several months; he saw an opportunity and went for it. I just object to the rewrite of history to justify the mistakes of the past.

> It was all very disingenuous. It was obvious to everyone, after 8 years of flames, that such a move would have been incendiary. Naftali played dumb only after he was called out on it.

Have you considered that not everyone who forks something participates in the original community?

> I just object to the rewrite of history to justify the mistakes of the past.

So far there has been no evidence for the stated claim, just supposition and rumour. So as-is there's no reason for anyone here to believe that "history is being rewritten" aside from easily-mistaken word of mouth.

These days most discussions over the internet happen via the written word, so it's difficult to believe that you can't find records from IRC, Github, or Email to support your contention that it was hostile.