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by phakding 2245 days ago
You have no data to support this.
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Would you mind refuting specific points rather than disregarding my entire argument?
Your claim that the ensuing poverty will cause more deaths then corona virus. Do you have anything to support this? You made a claim so the onus is on you to provide supporting data. I don't need to refute anything at this juncture.
It's an opinion based upon the link between mortality and poverty [1] and a potential 30% unemployment rate.

In fact, the Fed is predicting 32%. [2]

[1] https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/how-...

[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-job-losses-could...

The person making the argument bears the burden of proof, not the person refuting it.
I'm fully aware, I'm asking of which specific point needs data to back it up. I assumed the link between poverty and mortality was blindingly obvious.

Of course poverty has bad health outcomes, and I've just cited sources in another reply.

I don't think that's the part that's tripping people up. You're kinda just hand-waving over the link between the newly unemployed facing the same conditions that create an increased mortality rate for those in poverty. Not all who are unemployed lack the means to continue living an unimpoverished lifestyle (savings, benefits, depending on a partner, budget reduction, etc) and presumably many of the unemployed will become employed again when economic conditions improve.

This is the part that isn't "blindingly obvious" and requires a bit more of a substantive argument to backup the statement that "the deaths from coronavirus will be nothing compared to the deaths caused by economic destruction".

Is your position that people who will be made unemployed as a result of the economic destruction have enough savings and that we are providing enough benefits for them to survive?

59% of Americans could not afford $1,000 in an emergency. [1]

So you're talking about an optimistic runway of $1,000 + a $1,200 one-time benefit payment. The average person will be in poverty within 60 days.

I think you're dramatically overestimating the wealth of the average American.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/21/41-percent-of-americans-woul...

Of course I’m not. I’m pointing out why looking at the mortality rate of poverty doesn’t support the argument that the economy implications of shelter in place are somehow deadlier than the disease itself.

The onus is still on you to make a meaningful argument to support that statement.

Both do actually.