[teekert]

They probably get their money and food from petty crime? Like some of my family at some point. Would be nice if that could be avoided by giving them some money instead of them taking it from random shops. We should bare the burden together.

[ThrowawayR2]

They would likely take the money and continue their criminal activity anyway, no?

[uk_programmer]

> We should bare the burden together.

No. I am fed up of this pathological altruism. They should be looking for employment. End of discussion.

[teekert]

It's not altruism, I'm being perfectly rationally selfish, I just prefer to help those in need and give the bad people money to stay away from me while not wasting any time and money to make the distinction.

[uk_programmer]

I love how people can post-rationalise that right is wrong. It is very clever, but you are being dishonest with yourself.

It is simply wrong to take from others who work to those who cannot be bothered to work. Everything you do afterwards is trying rationalise your desire for UBI because you believe it to be virtuous.

[teekert]

But it's not "taking" if I, as a working person, gladly pay my government to keep my society pleasant.