[thu2111]

And yet that's not - even remotely - the kind of problem that was being projected and which justifies pushing the world towards a global depression of the sort that is known to kill lots of the poorest and most vulnerable.

You can find isolated reports of sub-optimal care in any hospital system in the world, at any time. Especially now when so many people are incentivised to paint Sweden in the most negative light possible.

Just a couple of weeks ago world leaders were fighting over every ventilator that existed. Now the biggest problem is that someone, somewhere was given an old one? When many doctors are already starting to argue that forced ventilation is the wrong therapy and switching to simple CPAP anyway? That is not a sign of a system in crisis.

[simonsaidit]

You think it pushes the world towards a global recession. I think a hard lockdown and a co trolled opening is what gets it out of one faster. At least that is what we can see studying history in 1918. Eg Denver vs Philadelphia. Scared people are bad consumers. In reality we don’t really know which strategy is the best.

[polack]

"Scared people are bad consumers"

People in Sweden are not scared compared to what they are in the UK for example. It's the rest of the world that is scared for the Swedes.

[simonsaidit]

Depends on who you ask. I’ve yet to see a study on this. I work as a consultant in a Swedish company and several of my colleagues stopped traveling to clients and insisted on working from home even before most countries shut down. This is now the policy for the entire company. Even if you don’t have an official lockdown many take their own precautions. Personally I’m not worried myself right now because of the precautions people take, but with more people relaxing and risk of more spread i do worry about the future and will probably have to do less of what I do now to reduce risk to people around me.

[thu2111]

I understand that perspective but I'm not sure the experience from over a century ago has much relevance to today. Would the Spanish Flu have killed so many today, with such advanced hospitals and healthcare, and no massive troop movements? We see flu pretty regularly and no lockdown is even proposed, as it's obvious the costs would be stagggeringly out of proportion.