[scarecrowbob]

Have you worked much with mid-00's era table layouts?

There was a book written in the late 90s, which presented a method that allowed people to take a document generated in a graphics program like MM Fireworks (IIRC) and then use table rows/columns to cut up that image and create layout with more varieties of graphical elements (like using a "corner" GIF to create a rounded box).

That markup, while very useful for creating "neat" looks, was incredibly difficult to modify once it was built.

But, specifically, that's what people are railing against when they "freak out" about tables as a layout tool... not using tables for tabular data (which is, of course, just fine unless you need to reflow stuff based on screen width).

[ZenPsycho]

the one positive thing about table based design, is you could code a module, and just echo it out anywhere you wanted it with say, php or coldfusion, and it would mostly just work. transplanting a chunk of semantic html to a site with a different stylesheet though, if you wanted it to look the same, requires some forward planning. that is, it needs to be designed as a component, its css js and html all moved together in lockstep. and if you’re trying to be a good pure citizen, they’re in three different files and you wcho them out into the head, foot and body in turn, being careful that the js appears after anything it depends on. it would be easier to just inline the css and js and echo it all out at once, hut that will make hixie sad. and so it seems sometimes you want self contained components with all their batteries included. sometimes you want to control certain aspects of appearance in some central location so it’s easy to keep everything looking consistent. it’s not always obvious how to find the balance.

[ChrisMarshallNY]

> Have you worked much with mid-00's era table layouts?

Umm... I've been designing Web sites since the mid-'90s. I used to do that very thing.

It is my shame (actually, I have many marks of shame, but we'll pretend I have just the one, for now).

That said, I also figured out how to make these "boxes" extremely flexible. I write about that in one of the links that I mentioned (https://littlegreenviper.com/miscellany/stylist/another-reas...). In that article, I describe both a "fixed," div-based "framed" table, and a flexible one; based on archaic table layout.

One advantage of having worked on sites back then (and there weren't many advantages), was that the browsers were radically different from each other, and Web designers learned to make sites that could maintain presentation in many different browsers. We generally had to do it by hand, as there wasn't really much in the way of libraries, or even prior art. We had to make it up as we went along.

I know, I know..."OK, Boomer." But it was quite helpful in understanding what was going on at the base level, and those lessons carry forward to this day.

I am not a professional Web designer. I make my own sites, and a couple of ones for NPOs, but they aren't fancy, and won't help anyone win "Buzzword Bingo." They just work fairly well, and are quite responsive.

EDITED TO ADD: You are probably thinking about this book, which became the bane of modern Web designers by the mid-oughties: https://books.google.com/books/about/Creating_Killer_Web_Sit...