[guscost]

It happens all the time, in exactly the same sense that people are dying “from” COVID-19 (i.e. usually combined with other morbidities). How much of this pandemic is due to the disease actually being worse than other coronavirus diseases, and how much is simply due to the rapid spread/no pre-existing immunity, remains to be seen.

Who else here remembers learning that AIDS patients (people with acquired immunodeficiency) can die from the common cold, in school? Is it not common knowledge that old folks can die from a cold, too?

[ummonk]

Covid-19 is killing healthy young people with no known pre-existing conditions at very high rates. It just happens to be killing the elderly and those with comorbidites (which includes normal ailments like diabetes and obesity) at even higher rates.

It isn’t just some new common cold that we don’t have herd immunity for. Different viruses have different lethality; common cold corona viruses are far milder than SARS-Ncov-2 which is in turn far milder than MERS.

[redis_mlc]

Is it corona virus, or ventilators, killing them?

When you have a mortality rate of 66% to 90% for something tha isn't a hemorrhagic fever, it's the ventilator.

[javagram]

People were dying without ventilators in Wuhan and elsewhere. (E.g. all the people in NYC who are dying at home, something like 100 a day last I saw)

The ventilator from what people are saying doesn’t seem to help as much as was hoped, but it’s not like hospitals are killing the patients by putting them on a vent, which is what your comment seems to imply?

[DanBC]

People dying in care and nursing homes are not on ventilators. This may be a significant number of covid-19 deaths.

https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-co...

> Key findings:

> Official data on the numbers of people affected by COVID-19 is not available in many countries

> Due to differences in testing availabilities and policies, and to different approaches to recording deaths, international comparisons are difficult

> Data from 3 epidemiological studies in the United States show that as many as half of people with COVID-19 infections in care homes were asymptomatic (or pre-symptomatic) at the time of testing

> Data from 5 European countries suggest that care home residents have so far accounted for between 42% and 57% of all deaths related to COVID-19.

[ummonk]

While there is speculation that ventilators might be worsening the situation, it's ridiculous to suggest that 66-90% of people with ARDS might die, with or without a ventilator. There are other ways to die from a viral lung infection than just hemorrhagic fever.

[ummonk]

* meant to say "might not", not "might".

[eloff]

I disagree. I'm unable to find any source with numbers. At best I've seen the statement "it's rarely fatal except in very rare circumstances".

Like the flu, you don't die from the flu, but really it's the last straw on top of other issues that pushes people over the edge.

But the flu is far more deadly than the common cold, it's misleading to talk about them together like that.

[guscost]

There are no numbers. Nobody has ever bothered to measure it separately from pneumonia. It’s hardly ever tested for or listed under cause of death, even when it’s obviously a factor. Once things change in the aftermath of all of this, we will see if your instinct is correct.

[guscost]

Well it turns out I'm wrong about this, there are some studies with numbers but they're pretty rare:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3655081/

> Twenty-two percent of all subjects with isolated coronavirus were hospitalized, but in the population aged ≥60 years this increased to 73%. While our study design precludes the determination of exact hospitalization rates as a result of coronavirus infections, the hospitalization rates were similar to those for influenza.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4181476/

> The high proportion of non-influenza infection in this study (72%) underscores the importance of non-influenza viral infection in contributing to severe illness necessitating hospital and ICU admission in adults, as has been found by others.