[wakenmeng]

Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags. It is not they said that china gov controls all media and social posts. And most of the videos u saw on twitter which gov staffs' violence are posted on Chinese social media first to explore and report this to the gov. They are just similar to other countries' gov staffs' enforcement violations. It happends sometimes, but when it happened in China, they tagged "CCP violence".

[Melting_Harps]

> Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags.

Agreed. But, that still wouldn't stop the CCP from trying to deny that it happened or continues to take place, just as they're actively lying about the death count in just Wuhan as many locals reported that crematoriums were running 24/7 and urns were being delivered by the truckload daily for the families of the dead [1].

I don't think we'll ever truly know the death count from all of this on Mainland China, mainly because the CCP are trying to spin the optics away from their culpability in trying to cover it up and the censorship to do so while trying to change the narrative to suit their ends.

1: https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-residents-say-chinese-...

[peteretep]

> that still wouldn't stop the CCP from trying to deny that it happened or continues to take place, just as they're actively lying about the death count

The Chinese populace aren't stupid, and China doesn't have the level of totalitarian control that North Korea has. Flat out denying it happened is a great way to weaken how much trust the population have in the state media.

Highlighting the (supposed) superiority of the Chinese approach to solving it to the rest of the world, now there's a gold mine, and you can be very subtle about that.

[Melting_Harps]

> The Chinese populace aren't stupid, and China doesn't have the level of totalitarian control that North Korea has. Flat out denying it happened is a great way to weaken how much trust the population have in the state media.

They're a mix of conditioned (brain washed) and terrified at being disspeared by the CCP.

Make no mistake this is a CCP caused pandemic, and is aptly called the CCP-Virus in Hong Kong: I fear anything short of having the CCP on trial for Crimes Against Humanity in the The International Court of Justice will only exacerbate the problem and will lead to further pandemics, as they never learned from SARS.

They censored the Physician calling out to the World how grave this disease was, and he subsequently died. Citizen Journalists have since gone missing that exposed the decrypted state the hospitals were in and the amount of dead were piling up and left aside.

[wakenmeng]

whaaaat? so hostile and rascism, looks like u r a little bit "mix of conditioned".

[Melting_Harps]

My great grandmother is from Guangzhou, Hong Kong is ethnically Han Chinese, so stop trying to deflect the points made with such feckless conjecture.

The CCP and by extension the WHO are responsible for censoring medical professionals and citizen journalists from speaking about COVID19, the WHO served as a mouth piece for the CCP and down played the efforts of containing the contagion of both Kong Kong and Taiwan alike--the former in defiance of the CCP and Lam regime. All while spreading misinformation about Human to Human transmission, downplaying the significance of masks in helping limit the spread etc...

[wakenmeng]

Any source could prove that WHO has downplayed the efforts of containing the contagion of Hongkong and Taiwan? I would like to read it and know something about that. I'm not medical professional, but I think it takes time to learn how a newcoming virus works, if it has human2human transmission, or need to ask people to wear masks(which may cause medical sources lack to docs n nurses on the frontier, neither Trump and I don't agree that;)). Information and recommendation changes during time while docs and scientists continue to study on that. It is a tragedy and fact that there's still a limit of knowledge while human being facing this. right know i think u r a little bit harsh that using what u know now to critisize things people not know yet months ago.

[wakenmeng]

the UK and USA said "CCP lying about the death toll", because death num in their countries is bigger. dude, Just give it a thought, is there any possibility that the UK and US governments are doing shitty jobs, no prepare during the whole February, no lockdown or quarantine action until March? On Feb 19, there are 50091 confirmed cases and 2029 deaths in one city Wuhan. if u think the number is "faking" small, u should think about that the government has locked down the city, asked for self-quarantine and focues on the medical sources since Jan. What most of the western medias u know were reporting then? Did they warning u how serious the virus is and ur gov should be prepared? did ur government do any action during the whole Feb after the virus is reported? watch this from BBC: https://youtu.be/mc6OVmNnPJo

[knolax]

The article you cite lists no source for the crematorium factoid. In addition to that, it also cites the Daily Mail, a tabloid that is banned from Wikipedia. If you google around for the crematorium factoid, you will find that almost all articles about it cite reports by the Epoch Times[0]. The Epoch Times is a bona fide propaganda outlet[1] that pushes objectively false antivaxx and QAnon conspiracy theories. Their initial report consisted of them sending random people to count cars going into a single funeral home and trying to extrapolate that into the entire region. If you're willing to be critical of Sixth Tone, then please display similar criticality towards other media as well.

[0] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/we-cant-stop-funeral...

"We need to pick up bodies when they call us. Every day, we need at least 100 body bags," a crematorium worker named Mr. Yun told the Epoch Times"

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times

[redis_mlc]

It's well-known that corona viruses wipe out ICU staff, so there's really nothing to hide.

It was reported with SARS-1 (2002/2003) in Toronto and S. Korea, and probably China.

IIRC, with SARS-2, it was a major concern in Italian and US hospitals.

[robocat]

The most interesting parts of the article to me were:

1. They had enough PPE (quite possible - the first place hit should have plenty available)

2. No staff caught the virus (this seems unlikely - even with perfect protection at work, some should have caught it at home?)

[redis_mlc]

If you read the article carefully and look at the pictures, they had issues. One picture shows a doctor wearing plastic shopping bags over their shoes.

Also, the previous staff did get ill, partly because of changing in the dark in a small room. The current staff fixed the lighting and added mirrors.

Contamination from dressing and undressing scrubs was also a problem in Toronto hospitals with SARS-1.

[Gibbon1]

One of the things I read was the Chinese isolated doctors and nurses working with COVID19 patients.