[fargle]

You love the word Pavlovian don't you?

I'm not making an argument to authority. I'm saying you are dismissing, without any valid argument at all, years of reasoned academics and experienced and careful engineering.

So what's your argument? You're level abstract is "better" because it just clearly is. And you're tired of hearing another viewpoint?

I think you are very naive and I don't see you how will gain experience if you don't wish to listen to anything you don't already understand!

[uk_programmer]

> So what's your argument? You're level abstract is "better" because it just clearly is. And you're tired of hearing another viewpoint?

Maybe you are dense. I have heard all these talking points before, many, many, many times. I do not find them convincing. If you regurgitate copy-pasta from 4chan's /g board I am not going to be interested.

> I think you are very naive and I don't see you how will gain experience if you don't wish to listen to anything you don't already understand!

I've been mucking about with computers since the BBC Micro-computer. I have been developing professionally for 15 years. Don't patronise me. I am actually very very cynical.

[fargle]

> 4chan's /g board

No freaking clue what you are talking about.

> copy-pasta (sic)

That's just insulting I'm writing from my own personal experience and trying to explain my arguments.

> professionally for 15 years

So a relative newbie, eh? I might have expected as much.

> I am actually very very cynical.

Understatement. You are not however good at learning or listening. Or debate.

Maybe the reason you keep hearing the same arguments is that there is merit to them. Maybe your viewpoint isn't universal and a large number of other people see things a different way. Maybe the reason you aren't convinced is because you don't take the time to listen and understand what others are saying. I understood your points, I accept some of them, for example bash isn't any good for managing SQL databases. You've offered nothing but insults false assumptions and general negativity and that "you don't like it".

[uk_programmer]

> That's just insulting I'm writing from my own personal experience and trying to explain my arguments.

Your arguments are the same as the copy-pasta. It isn't anything new, it isn't anything convincing and it isn't even an argument really.

> So a relative newbie, eh? I might have expected as much.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah whatever. You conveniently missed out the fact I've been programming since the late 80s, just not as a Software Engineer.

> Understatement. You are not however good at learning or listening. Or debate.

Why should I listen to someone that does the same recycled arguments? I listen to a lot of people, just generally not people who recycle the same old nonsense. You haven't told me anything I haven't heard before.

> Maybe the reason you keep hearing the same arguments is that there is merit to them. Maybe your viewpoint isn't universal and a large number of other people see things a different way. Maybe the reason you aren't convinced is because you don't take the time to listen and understand what others are saying. I understood your points, I accept some of them, for example bash isn't any good for managing SQL databases. You've offered nothing but insults false assumptions and general negativity and that "you don't like it".

I don't think streaming text around between programs is in any way robust. I don't mind the whole "lego pieces" and single responsibility principle. But it is hardly unique to Unix. This tirade against me because I don't agree with your ideology and somehow I am a bad person is quite amusing though. The so called insults were extremely mild so don't pull that nonsense.

Goodbye.