[lotsofpulp]

I would include health insurance premiums in the US as a tax when comparing to other developed countries since they don’t have to pay those. Easily $5k/per family member per year plus $28k available in case of emergencies due to out of pocket maximums and $10k to $15k per family member per year if you’re 45+.

[duxup]

I think if you do that it becomes really hard to compare a lot of things.

So health insurance is a cost ... albeit not the same for everyone, at some companies you pay surprisingly little and that is compensation ON TOP OF your pay...

Other places not.

It's really hard to get good 1:1 comparisons.

Taxes and etc in the US are widely unevenly applied depending on the situation compared to what seem to be 'more' standardized and predictable numbers, services, in Europe.

[lotsofpulp]

This topic is concerning freelancer income, so it doesn’t involve an employer paying for a portion of an employee’s health insurance premiums.

It’s also very easy to compare even if you are an employee, as health insurance premiums are shown in box 12 code DD of an employee’s W-2. And health insurance premiums don’t vary that much between healthcare.gov and ACA complaint insurance that employers subsidize.

What is clear is that there exists a healthcare expense in life, and so if you are paying for it via taxes in one region, you would have to figure out how much it costs in the other region where it’s not included in taxes to make the comparison more accurate.

You can use this table from the state of NJ to reasonably guess how much healthcare will cost you in a moderately high CoL area in the US:

https://www.state.nj.us/dobi/division_insurance/ihcseh/ihcra...

[duxup]

Valid point, I lost track of the freelancer situation.

As for the differing costs of insurance outside of the freelancer world, I've found the costs in the US can vary wildly. Those tax boxes aren't the only way / shouldn't be the only comparison for US healthcare costs.

[lotsofpulp]

I don’t understand why they can’t be used to reasonably estimate healthcare costs. ACA compliant plans are pretty standardized, as well as the metal levels indicating expected healthcare costs.

Some plans will cover some providers and some won’t, and rural areas will have issues with even having providers at all, but for most major urban/suburban regions, it should be comparable, +/- 10%, even 20%.

Either way, you know that healthcare costs are in the thousands and $10k+ per year per family, which is a lower bound you can add to calculating US tax rates.