[vanniv]

This actually isn't entirely on top of the typical deaths, as many of the folks dying of COVID are folks that were very likely to have died from their other underlying conditions anyway this year.

Especially now that we are counting all deaths in COVID-positive or presumed-positive individuals as COVID deaths regardless of cause of mortality.

[DiogenesKynikos]

The spike in mortality across northern Italy contradicts your claim that these people would have died anyways this year.