[justinjlynn]

> Stop hating Zoom.

No. I don't trust Zoom. I don't like that people like you apologise for them while they continue to make choices that actively endanger users.

I don't like their business model, and I don't like that I'm forced to use it to interact with people. I don't like that I can't verify it's doing what it says it's doing and am actively prevented from doing so. I don't like Zoom and I don't like that I can't choose to not install their spyware because people who don't know any better and don't have any way to protect themselves keep installing it and forcing me to use it.

No. I won't stop hating Zoom until I - and the people who don't know how Zoom is hurting them and so use it anyway - can be free of it and the people who make it so awful.

[batiudrami]

this is tech, you can't trust anyone. it's par for the course here. zoom just happen to be chinese.

[justinjlynn]

This has absolutely nothing to do with where Zoom is developed or by whom. It is the stated privacy policy and the software engineering practices to which the company adheres - and the security best practices to which they do not - which are abhorrent to me. This isn't about tech. This isn't about nationality. This is about a social tool being used to exploit people and the network effects that has on others who may have no choice.

That's why Jitsi Meet is important. It is everything Zoom isn't - while still accomplishing nearly everything Zoom attempts to accomplish while exploiting its users. That's why it's important.

Yes, you can trust - so long as you always verify while trusting.