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by naasking 2259 days ago
> > "is the qualitative experience of consciousness actually real, or is it reducible to third-party objective facts"

> Why not both?

Because those are mutually exclusive options. Either something is ontologically fundamental, or it's not. It can't be both.

2 comments

After posting my comment yesterday, I read some of your other comments and I don't think we actually disagree.

The problem is probably the definition of "real".

I'm not arguing that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe when I say it is real. The jury is still out but that's not what interests me the most. When I say "real" I'm talking about my subjective experience. It is real in the sense that it is something that I know I experience, regardless of the mechanisms involved.

Ultimately, what I'm interested in is finding out how it arises. Explaining it. Reducing it to its "third-party objective facts" if possible. Being able to look at a machine that mimics us and tell if that machine is experiencing something comparable to what we experience.

Will do, thanks!
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