[shinigami]

That's a good example of how a "SafeCurve" caused a vulnerability that wouldn't exist in Weierstrass curve.

But many smart people made many such mistakes in the past. If we gatekeep it to much then we won't have anyone left to implement crypto.

[cryptbe]

I didn't say anything about gatekeeping. It's okay to make mistakes, that's one of the best way to learn.

I said if one isn't comfortable with the math, maybe don't try to roll one's own crypto and advertise or use it as production-grade crypto.

[shinigami]

It's difficult to assess one's "comfort" with the math. I've been working with crypto for more then 10 years and I wouldn't say that I'm perfectly "comfortable" (e.g. the Ristretto stuff). Should I stop working with it?

[cryptbe]

You should not implement Ristretto, and continue implementing stuff that you're comfortable with.

Crypto is deep. You can get involved at the levels you feel comfortable with.

[beefhash]

Maybe we should gatekeep it so much though. As long as there exist at least two people capable of implementation per programming language (one to implement, another to audit), there will only ever be one, single, canonical implementation and there's no way around it. It is not and should not be an inherent right to be allowed to implement cryptography (that is put into production or made publicly available). The gatekeeping is there for a reason and it's important that we uphold it. Fewer implementations means that more people will be focused on having to write and check less code overall. Patents could be used to help with this by only permitting one upstream implementation to exist, but that's now how they end up being used in practice, and that's ignoring the fact that patent expiry is impractically short (compared to copyright expiry especially so).

[loup-vaillant]

Gate keeping is a double edged, and somewhat blunt, sword.

First, some Maverick is going to ignore what everyone says and implement crypto for serious applications. Like yours truly.

Second, I've seen it go a bit too far when I implemented Argon2i: there was a discrepancy between the specs and the reference implementations, and the authors haven't corrected the specs. I figured this was because not enough independent implementers bugged them about that. (Now, 3 years later, the specs still aren't fixed, so maybe the authors are really really busy. At least but the issue is still open: https://github.com/P-H-C/phc-winner-argon2/issues/183 )

[shinigami]

That simply does not work in the real world. Also, why does this only applies to crypto? A RCE vuln can have a much larger impact than mishandling cofactors. Should we have canonical implementations of every piece of software imaginable?

[naniwaduni]

we should leave the task of left-padding a string to a popular, no doubt well-tested library