[coleifer]

I don't like zoom either, but what exactly made them the HN punching bag of the month? Ad/surveillance giants like Google or FB are typically spoken of with notes of reverence and awe on here. Zoom gets lit-up for sending data to FB, but FB gets a pass? I don't know I just can't get into the mood. extinguishes torch in moat.

[gipp]

> Ad/surveillance giants like Google or FB are typically spoken of with notes of reverence and awe on here.

Uh. Are we reading different websites? This is the most vocally anti-everything-FAANG community I've seen on the Internet, since about 2017 or so. Except Apple, mostly.

[jakear]

Netflix also seems to be acceptable.

[gpm]

I'll just chime in that Apple and Netflix the FAANG companies I dislike the most, for balance ;)

[gipp]

Yeah, that's true, although we all know they're just in there so the acronym works.

[lonesword]

Microsoft too seems to be getting less hate than Google/Facebook.

EDIT: Ok MS is not FAANG.

[ilikehurdles]

And on the FB note, let's clear that up -- FB ships a mandatory phone-home analytics feature on their mobile SDKs used to enable the "sign in with facebook button". This sends your users' data over to their servers _even when_ those users do not use a Facebook social sign-on. Zoom removed that SDK within a day of finding out this was happening, yet it continues to be plastered around the web as if its an ongoing data collection; meanwhile, crickets at the fact that half the apps on our phones have this Facebook spyware.

[dang]

Same answer as a week ago, I think: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754135

lacker put it particularly nicely: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22814338

[mr_toad]

Being effectively forced to use a product with security and privacy issues because of network effects. Zoom is pushing all the buttons.

Google, Facebook and others get criticism for exactly the same reasons

[fosk]

The stock price.