[TechBro8615]

Because the CCP has no qualms about threatening an employee’s family to insert a backdoor or exfiltrate information, for one.

The decoupling has begun. Sentiment in the US toward China has never been as negative as it is now, from both sides of the aisle. I wouldn’t be surprised if we even see sanctions against China after the dust settles on this COVID fiasco.

[theshadowknows]

Let’s get real here. The United States government is most certainly capable of doing everything we accuse China of doing and worse.

[jjeaff]

The US is no white knight. But it is not doing anything close to what the CCP does on a regular basis. When was the last time a Trump protestor or Obama protestor disappeared and was never heard from again? Or disappeared and show up again months later, 30 lbs lighter and apologetic about how wrong they were about the government?

[grugagag]

In this sense yes, absolutely. China is known for doing grotesque humanitarian violations.

In another sense such as starting a war to deflect from problems at home, theres one champ and that is our democratic country.

Either one doesn’t mean the other is doing something legitimate and is waranted shielding from criticism

[justaguyonline]

"Starting a war to deflect from problems at home", what the heck would you call the invasion of Tibet then?

And while not literally a war, what purpose do you think the bellicose suppression of the fact of Taiwanese independence both domestically and abroad serves?

Some people seem so obsessed with the country they live in, they can't see the rest of the world properly. An over focus on domestic politics distorts everything with parochialism.

[grugagag]

Not exactly, Tibet is a different type of thing, it’s more like chinas’s expansion rather than Xi wanting to deflect attention from his own problems. American wars weren’t for any purpose or even any benefit for the US and lots of money was wasted and stolen through military industrial complex.

[garmaine]

The US does not start wars to distract from problems at home. That’s conspiracy horse manure. Whether you want to believe it or not, every president that has ever started a conflict or US involvement in an existing conflict has felt the action justified on foreign policy reasons.

Those reasons might be something you object with, or even downright stupid in hindsight. But only in Hollywood is it ever a smoke screen for domestic issues.

[HenryBemis]

USA, Russia, Turkey, China do exactly that throughout history. It is also an indicator of a failed/non functioning democracy, this is what surprises me about the USA (it IS a functioning democracy). I understand Russia and Turkey (been to both countries) are democracy-challenged and instead of solving their internal problems they create new external to divert the attention and seek "greatness" (one of the things that Trump* also proclaims).

Humanity needs to be great together.

Together we stand, divided we fall (said the poet).

*I don't vote in the USA so I don't care who they/you elect. If it would be Clinton or Bush (Sr/Jr) or Obama saying "screw the world we should care only about ourselves" I would be equally judgemental (you should hear me discuss politics with Russians (they can't see why their dictator is bad for them) (and now I will get downvoted by both Americans AND Russians :)

[garmaine]

Please point to an example of the USA engaging in a war as a distraction from domestic issues.

[grugagag]

I don’t see the humor in what you’re saying.

[garmaine]

It wasn’t meant to be funny.

[bananabreakfast]

Let's get even more real. This is whataboutism and it is a false argument.

The United States government can and is often held accountable for its actions. This concept does not exist in China.

[president]

You would have to start by decoupling investments in China and Wall Street and many politicians will not allow that to happen.

[qppo]

Enforcing US IP protections isn't a partisan issue. I think it's crazy that people are trusting zoom for their critical communications (like design review meetings and screen sharing schematics/process diagrams!) when there's a non-zero chance that the CCP/PLA has the infrastructure to:

    cat '$COMPANY/zoom-chat.log' | grep '$TRADE_SECRET' | local_industry_boost.bash 

inb4 the whataboutism: yes, the US Government has (and might continue to) participated in state sponsored industrial espionage. But if I'm an American company, I'm not going to care about that.

I've worked for at least one company that outright refused to do business in China or with certain companies that had oversized presence in mainland China because of experiences with this kind of problem. I know of some engineers that were arrested upon entry to the USA because they stole company IP and founded a company in China that used it. I know of another company that had network hardware compromised by an employee over there and was used to attempt to penetrate US networks (and if you wanna get spooked, they weren't alerted by their stateside infosec team, but federal authorities). I don't know why people treat me like a conspiracy theorist for bringing this up about Zoom routing data through China and using less-than-best-practice security.

[jjeaff]

Please share your grep binary that allows me to search countless hours of boring video for actionable content.

[gvjddbnvdrbv]

Run the audio through Google's voice API or similar. Then use grep.

[garmaine]

You mean Baidu’s.

[SubiculumCode]

Zoom as audio transcripting tech included. So.... yeah Grep.