[jankeromnes]

But the Eclipse Foundation is a pretty good place to develop vendor-neutral open-source software, kind of like the Linux Foundation. There are many great open-source projects under the Eclipse Foundation umbrella, and anyone is free to use them; contribute to them; build businesses on them; etc.

[andybak]

Yes but when someone mentions Eclipse all I can think of is that huge, slow, bloated, ugly IDE I was happy to flee from many years ago.

[therealdrag0]

IntelliJ is prettier, but just as bloated. Buch of that bloat is just features. I've used both for years and thought both were good with different strengths/weaknesses.

[qwerty456127]

The last time I checked (long ago, when no IntelliJ frorks like PyCharm etc existed) Idea' code autocompletion was a way more smart than that of Eclipse. Also the screen space is less bloated with IntelliJ.

[therealdrag0]

How is the screen-space less bloated? I thought pretty much all IDEs are the same: navigation tree panel, code panel, and optional extra side/bottom panel for log/test/debug/docs/etc. Also they're all super configurable.

[gowld]

That's fine. They want people who appreciate Eclipse during these early stages, and young people who haven't used Eclipse before don't have preconceived notions.

[therealdrag0]

Yep, in my university everyone used Eclipse. Shrug.