[satysin]

I respectfully disagree. I feel it is safe to say that Zoom have some serious issues in their development process. It seems every other day there is some new issue. Install fuckery on macOS, lying about E2EE, including code they did not properly understand, etc.

We talk so much about wanting to protect children that we should not be using software that gives audio and video access to their computers that we do not have confidence in.

[thefounder]

>> including code they did not properly understand, etc. Yeah we understand all of our code, right? I'm developing an Electron app. I let you guess how much I know about the code behind electron/chronium.

>> We talk so much about wanting to protect children that we should not be using software that gives audio and video access to their computers that we do not have confidence in.

Let's start banning facebook. Shall we?

[igetspam]

I know you're saying that in jest but it's a good idea. If my wife wasn't sometimes active with a NPO, I'd have it filtered at the network.

[satysin]

> Yeah we understand all of our code, right? I'm developing an Electron app. I let you guess how much I know about the code behind electron/chronium.

I get your point however I feel there is a different between not having full understanding of the platform you are using (be it Electron, Windows, macOS, Linux, etc) and a small library from Facebook of all companies. The fact they were able to change/fix the issue within a day(?) says to me they just didn't bother to look at what it was really doing in the first place.

> Let's start banning facebook. Shall we?

Is Facebook not banned, or at least extremely restricted within the New York school network? My daughters school in the UK has a complete block on Facebook.

But yes I would happily ban Facebook. I feel the value it adds is not worth the trade off. For the purely social connection functionality (which I do see value in obviously) there are other options that are not as dirty as Facebook.

[MaxBarraclough]

Regarding the macOS installer: did this turn out to be real? Last time I saw this turn up, there seemed to be some question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22750619

[presumably]

There is no question that it was a real problem, details available in the linked post: https://objective-see.com/blog/blog_0x56.html

The only question is different interpretations of “fake”: it is a real system dialogue, invoked by a deprecated API; it is fake in that the text is set by Zoom to trick the user into allowing it to install itself without approval.