[wlesieutre]

> some of us are just running without venture funding just clients money

That sort of startup probably also counts as a “traditional small businesses.”

[estreeper]

Receiving investment, or not, or making money, or not, has nothing to do with whether or not a company is a "startup" (at least in the YC sense).

Startup = Growth

http://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html