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by ASalazarMX 2269 days ago
So, avoid the non-existent fees of Microsoft and change them for the non-existent fees of Oracle and IBM. Sold!

But seriously, the Eclipse Foundation would be a much trustworthier steward for a wide-used IDE than Microsoft. Unfortunately, Eclipse is in the same situation Firefox was against Chrome 5 years ago: it's slow compared to other Java IDEs like Jetbrain's.
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tensor 2269 days ago
I wouldn't trust Oracle. Is this going to be like VirtualBox which is "free" and "open source" except for the extension pack on the very same page that you can one click download?

If anyone isn't aware, they track the IP address of that extension and if they can trace it back to your company they then come calling for money. It's basically a sort of litigation honey pot. Sure, it's all legal, but it's such a nasty dark pattern and so easy of a mistake to make for end users that it should be illegal.

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jdc 2269 days ago
But just to be clear, Oracle does not control Eclipse IP.
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tw04 2269 days ago
How so? They're on the board of directors. They might not have SOLE control, but you're implying they have NO control. I'm not sure how they can both be on the board of directors while simultaneously having no control of the Eclipse IP.

https://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/directors.php

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RobLach 2269 days ago
You’re right.

It’s controlled by IBM, Fujitsu, Bosch, and Oracle.

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tensor 2269 days ago
That's a relief, the post above made it sound that way.
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ysleepy 2269 days ago
Hm. I remember it having utterly horrible UX and looks, but being slow wasn't really a problem. Especially the live compilation and whole project compilation error marking is something IntelliJ has not yet accomplished.
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sbuttgereit 2269 days ago
Yeah... but what the original post is about isn't the old Eclipse IDE we've all known and loved (to hate, maybe). But a new entry in the Electron based text editor craze... to me just glancing over the website, it looks like a VS Code clone.

That the Eclipse IDE itself is more an analogue to Visual Studio proper could be where some on the Eclipse marketing team are mixing up the two and mentioning "VS Code fees".

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ASalazarMX 2267 days ago
You're right, it's a Javascript (Typescript) IDE, not the good old Eclipse; they're on equal footing.
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