[burpsnard]

> some poor guys.. still going at it

that's how you earn your thousand yard stare

[bogdanu]

I have that stare from the first few months of my career. The perks of working in outsourcing I guess.

[ido]

I've never worked in outsourcing and almost every job I had in my >15 years career as a developer included at least somewhat-gnarly & often truly-gnarly code.

It is very rare to see a codebase several years old that can be fairly describe as "in good shape".