[minraws]

> Make "open" consumer devices

So Macs are out of question... Can't be signed can they?

What if we get a commercial license? Apple disallowes GPL...

Can't support GTK either, Expat Licensed GUI alternatives please...(I suggest Godot but it comes with a bit of pain and some baggage as well)

There are also other corner cases that they might want to cover, with more documentation.(Not sure if I have missed something)

If anyone has more info pls do share it. :)

[jcelerier]

> So Macs are out of question... Can't be signed can they?

... you know that even Apple ships some GPL software on every Mac right ? GPL is 100% fine mac hardware. There are even GPL apps on the appstore. Signing does not prevent you to upload a new version of the app to your own device.

[justinclift]

> There are even GPL apps on the appstore.

Are you sure they're GPL?

Maybe they're dual-licensed, and the Apple app store is using "the other licence"?

[jcelerier]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_i...

[justinclift]

Interesting. Event though some of the repos listed didn't seem to have licensing info in any obvious place, several of the GPL* ones did.

Seem you're right. :)

Am very surprised, after reports a while back of GPL (etc) apps not being approved.

Hopefully they continue to be approved (etc). :)

[jcelerier]

> Am very surprised, after reports a while back of GPL (etc) apps not being approved.

it was an issue until Xcode 7 : prior to that you had to pay 99$ to Apple for the right of uploading something to your own iDevice. Since Xcode 7 this is not necessary anymore.

[minraws]

Only works if you are the sole copyright holder, and not using code from someone else.

> https://github.com/peter-iakovlev/Telegram/issues/157

> http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge/

> https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019/06/04/why-does-macos-catalina...

[guug]

> Apple ships some GPL software on every Mac right [..] re are even GPL apps on the appstore.

To my knowlage and IANAL, this is only possible with older pre-v3 licenses. v3 licenses specifically prohibit tevoisation, something that Apple's App store TOS effectively mandates by placing restrictions on what App users are allowed to do. I believe this is why apple doesn't ship recent versions of Bash.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[jcelerier]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_i...

there are no issues with modifying, recompiling a GPLv3 app and uploading & running it on your own iPhone, iPad or Mac - it's not tivoization.

[guug]

I believe there are issues and serious ones at that. The lawyers at the FSF seem to agree:

* https://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance

* https://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-sto...

[jcelerier]

Those articles are super old and don't apply anymore - the terms of the app store have changed almost 5 years ago (those articles are 10 years old)

[guug]

Can you please provide a source?

[michaelmrose]

While users are still allowed to run software of their choosing on the Mac I would think it would be perfectly acceptable to provide software that could be built and run outside of the mac app store.

If I'm mistaken please clarify.

[yjftsjthsd-h]

LGPL != GPL