[brigandish]

> How can you say the mask isn’t helping?

I didn't but I also didn't make the claim that they would help so I suggest we start by getting claimants to back up their claims before we get anyone checking claims to prove negatives.

[fspeech]

We need universal mask wearing AND unlimited testing. South Korea showed it works. In Japan, even without widespread testing the spreading is still slower than the west. It's true Singapore does not mandate mask use, but they have thorough contact tracing and draconian quarantine laws.

[octbash]

Excuse me - what "draconian quarantine laws"?

[fspeech]

You could lose your residency right for violating quarantine.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-coron...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/asian-countries-wield-fines-jai...

[octbash]

How is that draconian? If you're issued a stay-home notice, STAY AT HOME.

[fspeech]

"Draconian" as in I don't see it practicable in my country. Not a moral judgment.