[joshuamorton]

This conclusion doesn't, at all, follow from the premise.

While yes, nit-picky review could mean the reviewer doesn't understand the big picture, an LGTM with no comments at all is more likely to be indicative of missing something.

What you really mean is that nit-picky reviews that don't pick up on actual logic or functionality issues are a smell. Which is true, but isn't usually the case at Google[0]. The chapter on teamwork covers some relevant concepts (like psychological safety).

[0]: https://testing.googleblog.com/2018/05/code-health-understan...

[kortilla]

The comment I replied to is literally highlighting people nit-picking punctuation as if it’s a good thing.

[joshuamorton]

Which it is!

You seem to be assuming, without prompt, that nit-picking punctuation comes at the expense of a thorough overall review.

Code review on punctuation is absolutely an important part of readability. Consistency makes understanding and scanning (for human readability) and potentially parsing and modifying (for machine readability) much easier.

As someone who both reviews a lot of code and reads a lot of code, consistent documentation with good grammar and punctuation is enormously helpful.

[kortilla]

I’m not assuming, this is based on my experience at Google. People that focused on punctuation rarely provided anything more than the superficial review.

[joshuamorton]

Again you're begging the question.

People who focus on punctuation do so at the expense of everything else, sure. But people who give thorough reviews give thorough reviews, including nitpicky comments.

I've given and received thousands of reviews at Google (in multiple languages, across multiple teams), and can say that my experience has been fairly consistent: code review is high quality and detail oriented, including, but not at all limited to, small things like grammar and comment formatting.

[kortilla]

I’m not begging the question, I’m just sharing my experience from working at Google and other companies. By a wide margin, the most useless reviews were ones nit-picking formatting, punctuation, etc.

> But people who give thorough reviews give thorough reviews

Ok.

> including nitpicky comments.

Disagree. Pointing out that someone forgot to capitalize an initialism in a comment is not thorough, it’s a time suck. A thorough and competent reviewer will realize it doesn’t matter and will know not to distract the CL owner will such irrelevant trash.

Sure, there is an a small section of the Venn diagram that leaves good review comments and sprinkles in “nit:” turds, but that group is much smaller than both the fully incompetent nit-pick group and the competent reviewer group.

Seriously, unless a code comment is illegible or it’s being compiled into user-facing docs, it’s absolutely useless to leave something like “nit: it’s TCP, not tcp”.

[joshuamorton]

> Seriously, unless a code comment is illegible or it’s being compiled into user-facing docs, it’s absolutely useless to leave something like “nit: it’s TCP, not tcp”.

I think you're describing style errors, not grammar errors. For example, the Google style guide says that (certain) comments should be complete sentences. Asking people to use good grammar (and capitalize/punctuate) those sentences as though they were documentation (because they are!) is valuable for reviewers.

I say this as someone who, when reading unfamiliar code, is able to understand it more readily if the inline documentation is easy to read. "tcp" vs "TCP" doesn't impact that, but other grammatical nits absolutely due.

[jbn]

what about nitpicks related to whitespace? These are an endless source of time-wasting, IMHO.

[joshuamorton]

At Google or in general?

The closest I've seen to this is comments of the form "can you reformat this" or "this doesn't match the rest of the file". Google's style guides have fairly strong guidance on formatting, so there's usually a "right" way (enforced by a linter), and if not, then usually you defer to the existing style in the module.

[jbn]

I meant in general. Except python-like languages that make it a non-issue, in C/C++/Java I think people attach way too much importance to spacing, trailing whitespace, tab vs spaces, and column width.

I would agree with linting or just deferring to existing style, but in truth I care little about this, it's just not significant to me (yet others seem to overvalue it, to the point of talking exclusively about this).

[thedance]

At Google (in google3) there are automatic linters that run on every change and if they fail then your change simply will not be approved for style. There's no debate about it. This is one of the great things about gofmt: either your Go program passed through it, or it did not and won;'t be accepted. Arguments about the formatting need to be in the form of a changelist against gofmt itself.

[shaftway]

Every team I've been on at Google has presubmits that enforce this, along with command line tools to "fix" it. There's no arguments about spacing. Nobody really cares about extra lines, but if you use tabs instead of spaces you're just wrong and your CL can't be submitted.

It's actually nice. I disagree with some of the rules and would like them to change. I think that if your if-block has a single statement and there's no else, and it all fits in a line then it's fine to inline it.

    if (theAnswerIsKnown) return theAnswer;

But I'm wrong. Because the linter doesn't allow it. So I moved on and I don't bother fighting that fight.

Edit: To be clear, I might be right, and this might be better, but I'm "wrong" in the sense that it's not linter compliant.