[Mikhail_Edoshin]

If you think logic is so powerful, why don't you use it to cure alcoholism instead if spending it in HN comments? :) The use of surrender is to admit you don't know how things work. At least not to the point to actually cure yourself of addiction.

[zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC]

> If you think logic is so powerful, why don't you use it to cure alcoholism instead if spending it in HN comments? :)

Where did I make the claim that logic could be used to cure alcoholism?

> The use of surrender is to admit you don't know how things work. At least not to the point to actually cure yourself of addiction.

Which doesn't make a Zagnut bar an agent that has power, does it?

[Mikhail_Edoshin]

How do you know?

[zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC]

That must be the cheapest attempt at shifting the burden of proof I've encountered yet.

[Mikhail_Edoshin]

A sane rational logical person has an addiction. The sane rational logical tools he has do not help him to get rid of it. This means he cannot trust them. There's a flaw somewhere and he doesn't know where. They are not good for any conclusion, including the agency and power of that bar. The best he can do is to drop them and admit he knows nothing. Then there's a chance to learn something new that may help with that addiction.

[zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC]

Which doesn't make a Zagnut bar an agent that has power, does it?

[Mikhail_Edoshin]

I don't know.