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by whateveracct 2292 days ago
What is your suggestion for unifying with people who support a leader who has abused his power in broad daylight over and over again? And who has abused that power to avoid punishment for other abuses?

It seems pretty fundamental to me: It's a matter of if are you okay with a blatant authoritarian if he's in your side. I don't know how to bridge that cultural difference in how we wish our leaders to behave.
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NicoJuicy 2292 days ago
Just show the world how dumb Trump really is, instead of showing/suggesting how he is getting money in a corrupt way.

That's how you convince people who don't like/hate the traditional system.

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hervature 2292 days ago
Go talk to them, listen to them, sympathize with them, you know, be a compassionate human instead insinuating their stupidity by outright calling someone they support stupid.
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NicoJuicy 2291 days ago
It's not an insinuation.

Who can't see that Tr. is in politics for his own pockets is it too.

I've added a lot of pointers already. But another one is to look up the documentary about his son in law: Kusher Properties.

They are literally made for each other and not in a good way.

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NicoJuicy 2291 days ago
Other comment for handling a different argument.

I joined a big discussion group to see how I could convince people ( > 8000 Dutch members on Facebook).

While I took a lot of effort for 5 months to reason with the outliers of the group.

I had concluded that it was not possible to reason with outliers since they used "Whataboutisme" and the only effective way to convince other people and "shut them up" ( I know it sounds rude) was to actually be rude, handle their current arguments and point out the idiocracy of the arguments they were using ( hence the harsh term used).

My effectiveness rate went from 4-5% to almost 90% in having the "last" argument. It also seemed to greatly reduced the amount of pointless topics started by that person.

There was only once someone effective in working arround it, using "doubtful" sources.

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whateveracct 2292 days ago
Are you replying to the right comment? Nothing in my comment said anything about Trump or his supporters' intelligence in any way.
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