[zamalek]

I've just "incompleted" my first Rust project: a Minecraft server. I gave up due to the protocol, not Rust. I finally learned the damn thing after spouting its hypothetical advantages all over the internet. My overall conclusion was correct, but the reasoning incorrect. The borrow checker is an amazing pair programmer, but that's not the primary reason I'm having genuine fun.

Rust is a systems language that is a pleasure to build. This "how to build on Mac/Windows/OSX" is a non-issue and should be a non-issue. Solving how to build something is an utter waste of time and is complete bullshit.

Please, for the sanity of the rest of us, stop using C build systems. They are just unbelievably terrible; people have tried and tried, but you can only do so much with a fundamentally flawed bad idea.

[PureParadigm]

Couldn't agree more. I often have to install programs from sounce, and dynamic linking, header files/include paths, etc. make the C build system extremely unreliable. It's often more of a trial and error process ("which library is it going to be missing next") than a methodical one. I've spent countless hours hunting down why libfoo.so isn't loading correctly, or why some random function is undefined at the compile stage.

[adev_]

> Please, for the sanity of the rest of us, stop using C build systems. They are just unbelievably terrible

That's not an argument. You do not even try to explain why it is terrible.

C build systems are terrible because they handle 30 years of legacy, 10 different compilers and 100 of platforms that all have their specific non-sense to handle at different compilation stages.

You can also add on that the non-standard build system specific way to handle things like debug/release builds or dynamic/static linking because every system created its own for fun... ( --release/CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release/make release/-Q release=1/etc/etc, .lib files/so/a/dylib/rpath/dt_runpath, lto/not-lto, -Wl,-Bdynamic/-BStatic, etc, etc, etc )

And you get the mess you are in.

The real question on that is: Will Rust be any better in 20 years ?

My hope is that the community will be smart enough to not fragment. But history told us that every OSS project big enough fragment soon or later.