[kyuudou]

I disagree partly here based on personal experience with BJJ. I simply cannot summon fast-twitch muscle "burst" cardio on a full keto diet. After months of trying all kinds of workarounds, I had to carb-load with glucose pills (the kind diabetics take) the night before and pre-workout.

Long-term steady endurance massively increases though. If there's no bursting, I find that I can workout for hours on keto, it's amazing. It's kind of like the difference between regular diesel engines and gasoline+nitrous engines. Patience and focus seriously improve as well.

My limited understanding is that glycogen stores in muscles get depleted on full keto and must be replaced with some kind of carb intake, whether through excess protein-to-carb conversion or through normal carb intake, that "burst" energy simply isn't going to be there.

Example: I'm on the bottom in full mount and I know I need to burst to sweep somehow or shrimp out after bucking. Energy just wasn't there, time and time again. I could do jumping jacks forever, though.

I'd love to hear your feedback on this, like, what your protein intake is vs. fats.

[com2kid]

> I disagree partly here based on personal experience with BJJ.

My experience includes BJJ! :)

Of note I've been keto adapted for years, so I am likely an edge case.

That HR recording I linked to is of a kickboxing endurance bag workout (Bas Rutten's routine if you are at all familiar with it), nothing but explosive power against a bag, every punch 100%.

Now at the end of it, can I lift as heavy? No, carb load and I'm adding an extra few pounds to the bars, but it isn't a huge difference.

> I'd love to hear your feedback on this, like, what your protein intake is vs. fats.

I stopped tracking years ago. Probably should start tracking again just to lose some extra lbs. :) Outside of weight loss I do keto just because of the insane energy levels.

The kicker about BJJ is that after class, these guys who are much stronger than me are winded and I'm walking around upset no one wants to keep training. Everyone is doing crap like sitting down and resting!

[kyuudou]

Awesome, thanks for the reply! Yea, I was trying to find a way to have a permanent high-fat keto diet for BJJ but it just wasn't happening. It was kind of a personal experiment and I was pleased with the outcome. Great way to drop a few extra pounds before weigh-in, though. Discrete carb-loading is unavoidable, though.

>The kicker about BJJ is that after class, these guys who are much stronger than me are winded and I'm walking around upset no one wants to keep training. Everyone is doing crap like sitting down and resting!

As you probably know, they are Doing It Wrong. Most of the higher belts I've known are skinny (sometimes barrel-fat) and not mega-huge muscular because their technique is orders of magnitude better so they don't need to rely on muscling everything. My main professor always skips the heavy warmup on his days and just does enough to get the blood flowing and joints warm which is funny - he's really good.

I really started to think about this once I got my ass handed to me by a teenage girl purple belt who couldn't have weighed more than 90 lbs wet. I was trying on purpose not to use my size and strength but quickly realized my technique was much worse than hers. One of the great benefits of BJJ is this kind of instilled humility. Not much room for silverback gorilla bullies.

Now, competition, particularly no-gi, is a whole different ball game in my experience. There, maximizing strength to weight ratio is of crucial importance because the other person is supposed to be of roughly equal technique and when it comes down to it, whoever's stronger usually has a better chance.