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by confeit 2302 days ago
For countries with outbreaks:

- Fully educate the general public on the seriousness of COVID-19 and their role in preventing its spread;

For the public:

- Recognize that COVID-19 is a new and concerning disease, but that outbreaks can managed with the right response and that the vast majority of infected people will recover;

So the WHO tells you it's serious and concerning. Not that it is as severe as the common flu. Did we see proper management of outbreaks in the West? Well...

> "The incompetence has really exceeded what anyone would expect with the C.D.C.," said Dr. Michael Mina, an epidemiologist at Harvard University.

About hoarding canned foods:

> We're asking folks in every sector, as well as people within their families, to start planning for this, because as we've seen from the recent countries that have had community spread, when it hit in those countries, it has moved quite rapidly

> Dr. Theresa Tam: Prepare ... Some of those steps include stocking up on needed prescriptions ahead of time so there is no need to do so during a possible pandemic. She also recommended people stock up on non-perishable food.

Both Canada and US CDC have told people to prepare, including stocking up on non-perishable food. What's the worst thing that could happen when this turns out to be a tempest in a teacup? You eat from your pantry the next few months, or you donate it to a homeless shelter. What's the worst thing that could happen, when you don't prepare, and this turns into quarantine-levels bad? You'll have to live with the guilt of ridiculing people for preparing for one. The other bad things are unspeakable.

The data you gather may not bear out the panic, but can you think of a reason for that, something to do with social order and public policy in light of a global pandemic?

CFR is not everything, you may survive the first round, with neurological damage, bone damage, lung damage, testicular damage, heart damage, psychological damage, and kidney damage.

> it’s by no means the apocalypse

This may be how you cope, but you can't say this for sure. There is a proper chance at a global crisis, with the impact of the Spanish Flu or WWII. There is too much uncertainty to be complacent and factually discard this. This novel virus is from extremistan, and we "just don't know the damage this virus can do".

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> So the WHO tells you it's serious and concerning. Not that it is as severe as the common flu. Did we see proper management of outbreaks in the West? Well...

As they should have until they knew it wasn't as serious as they initially expected.

> CFR is not everything, you may survive the first round, with neurological damage, bone damage, lung damage, testicular damage, heart damage, psychological damage, and kidney damage.

There's zero evidence for any of that.

> This may be how you cope, but you can't say this for sure. There is a proper chance at a global crisis, with the impact of the Spanish Flu or WWII.

There's zero evidence for that too.

Yet another day goes by, yet another day with fewer active cases than the previous day. Yet another day with more resolutions and fewer deaths. We're down to 39K cases active from a peak of 58K.

Meanwhile the CFR was upgraded from 2.3% to 3.6%.

Evidence of permanent lung damage and psychological damage and kidney damage well-established. The others are by comparing SARS-CoV-1 with SARS-CoV-2.

The WHO telling you it is serious and concerning is from their latest report and findings after returning from China.

Europe is going exponential. There is now a more severe and more infectious strain identified.

Last update:

Please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcJDpV-igjs for Dr Richard Hatchett on the (long-term) dangerous effects of SARS-CoV-2. "Spanish Flu" and "WWII" he says.

3 weeks ago the first Italian got infected. 25% of Italy is now quarantined, no way to go out and buy tinned foods, without risking a 3 months detention and 200$ fine. U.S. hospitals seemingly prepare for 96 million Americans infected, 4.3 million needing hospitalization, and 480.000 deaths, or, to explain to their bosses: "10 times a flu season from hell" on top of their regular work. [1]

Italian hospitals are proposing an age limit for admission to the ICU for viral pneumonia / breathing problems, so they can focus on the young people who will have more years to live.

In China we read that those people go home and take their last breath with their family, watching or hearing their old ones take their last breath, maybe some anti-virals if still available, maybe an open-source pandemic ventilator made by citizen scientists?

Or can we all work together, to reduce the community spread of this virus by just 1% by taking a pro-active scientific approach? 100s of thousands of Americans (or even world citizens) could be saved or improved, if we stop talking about a "carona flu" now.

[1] CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.