[notyourday]

People say "Code wins arguments" because written code that works demonstrates the winning argument against the code that is either not written or does not work.

FB messenger exists and works on crappy connections. Google hangout exists and messes up on crappy connections. Telegram exists and messes up on crappy connections ( see the issues it has in Africa ). Signal exists and does not work well even on non-crappy connections. Whatsapp exists and sort of works on crappy connections. Matrix exists and sucks on crappy connections.

What we need is something that exists and works on crappy connections that has less LOC than FB messenger to demonstrate that it is possible to handle crappy connections and modern messaging in much fewer lines of code.

[Supermancho]

> written code that works demonstrates the winning argument against the code that is either not written or does not work.

That's why your comment is nonsensical, if not downright contradictory noise.

> Ordering messages and providing reliability does not require 1.7M lines of code.

This has been demonstrated ad nauseum a priori with loads of toy chat apps that reconnect and retain state. It's not really a challenge. EVERYTHING else crammed into it, should be the reasoning for 1.7M lines of code, but as they demonstrated TO THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE, it wasn't (360k now)

[notyourday]

> This has been demonstrated ad nauseum a priori with loads of toy chat apps that reconnect and retain state. It's not really a challenge. EVERYTHING else crammed into it, should be the reasoning for 1.7M lines of code, but as they demonstrated TO THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE, it wasn't (360k now)

Yes and they figured out what was needed after first writing a 1.7M line of code thing that worked. That's the process of reiteration and a process of initial LOC bloat before LOC stripping.

Without that process by thinking it has all been demonstrated ad nauseum a priori with loads of toy chat apps that reconnect and retain state you end up with deciding that if Friday was Feb 28th then Monday is certainly March 3rd because date/time handling is simple and end up being Robinhood, down for a day.