[nif2ee]

I am sick of people shilling to this thing here. Stop exploiting HN for free advertising. Every Wireguard post here has become a free ad for this company.

EDIT: Stop supporting parasites repackaging and rebranding open source and selling it while leaving the author who single handedly made this entire thing possible begging for donations on Patreon

[dang]

You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly, both in this thread and unfortunately in others (and we've had to ask you about this before). We ban accounts that do that. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here? The intended spirit is curious conversation.

[nif2ee]

Again, please do your job and delete astroturfing comments and ban these users. This company has been exploiting HN for so long to promote itself whenever a post about Wireguard go to the frontpage. They don't even have a ready product. This website encourages really sneaky types of marketing if you don't take action.

[dang]

I appreciate your concern for the integrity of this site, but if you really care about that you should follow its rules, which say clearly what to do with these insinuations, and it isn't posting them here.

I haven't seen any evidence of astroturfing in this case. The user you were accusing above seems entirely legit.

You've posted such accusations to HN several times before. Given how little data we have about each other online, it's easy to connect the dots in a way that jumps to nefarious conclusions about others. If you come here and post those, the odds get pretty high that you're accusing innocent people of bad things. That's not cool, which is one reason the site guidelines ask everyone not to do that. We'd be grateful if you'd stop doing that.

[nif2ee]

I will stop doing that. But HN should give the priority to FOSS projects and commercial projects made by single developers and small companies that have no money or other way of reaching out to users instead of helping big companies and startups made by millionaires. As of Wireguard case, if you've been following all popular threads about it throughout the last 2 months you will know what I am talking about.

Don't let HN to become another ProductHunt.

[tptacek]

Last time I talked to him about it, Jason Donenfeld was not upset about Tailscale. You'll have to find someone else to be vicariously outraged for.

[nif2ee]

Of course I am sure he is extremely happy spending 5 years developing the next big thing then others rebrand it for enterprise and become rich.

[tptacek]

Jason comments here all the time and is quite easy to talk to, and I think we're all better off hearing from real Jason, not some imaginary angry Jason you've invented. Not least because there are actual abuses in the WireGuard ecosystem, and your imaginary Jason is obscuring them behind fake abuses.

[nif2ee]

I didn't say he is angry, my main point was not advertise for free for a company that is built off the work of a single man, especially when it's FOSS, especially when it's a technically piece of genius like WireGuard, while not supporting the man himself. There are known ways for companies to market their paid product, it's called ads.

[atmosx]

You realise most VPN providers offer OpenVPN (for years) and now Wireguard support right? Some bundle the software & drivers on their own GUI. I'm happily using a paid OpenVPN client for mac (won't name it here to avoid upsetting you further) for years.

What I'm trying to say is that tailscale is doing nothing new or sinister.

[StreamBright]

This is not how opensource works.

[StreamBright]

Actually, I haven't heard of them and they look like a pretty nice way of connecting different resources over the internet. I am not sure what you mean by parasites. I am glad they posted the link in this thread. Wireguard is an opensource project, Tailscale is a paid service. Do you think they compete with each other or you think that people should not share product recommendations at all on HN?

[wmf]

One could just as easily make the opposite complaint that WireGuard is receiving undeserved hype because it is just a tunneling protocol without a control plane.