[dntbnmpls]

> Switzerland, most democratic country in the world, reminding people that it isn't just the authoritarians who know how to keep organised.

So a democratic country is just as authoritarian as "authoritarians"?

> It is very hard to understand how democracies work

It really isn't. It's been around for many millenia ostensibly going all the way back to the slave owning ancient greeks. And historically, democracies have proven to veer toward totalitarianism. Something even Plato recognized thousands of years ago. It's funny how we conveniently forget that even nazi germany rose from a democracy.

There is nothing inherently good about democracies. After all, democracies have exterminated continents full of people, democracies have practiced race-based slavery and the only form of government to have nuked civilians is a democracy. Hell democracies have attacked and destroyed more democracies around the world than authoritarians have. Instead of focusing on silly labels, why not focus on deeds/actions/results/etc.

[lm28469]

> There is nothing inherently good about democracies.

Besides the fact that we naturally evolved toward them since everything else we tried so far was worse ? And the fact that people are fleeing authoritarian regimes risking their lives to get into democratic ones daily yet the opposite never happened ?

> After all, democracies have exterminated continents full of people, democracies have practiced race-based slavery and the only form of government to have nuked civilians is a democracy. Hell democracies have attacked and destroyed more democracies around the world than authoritarians have.

When you put lions in cages they're still lions.

> Instead of focusing on silly labels, why not focus on deeds/actions/results/etc.

Right, open an history book and it'll be painfully obvious that the vast majority of authoritarian regimes are worse than being "not inherently good".

> It's funny how we conveniently forget that even nazi germany rose from a democracy.

It's neither funny nor forgotten. It's also pretty clear germany and their neighbours weren't better off after being under dictatorship. It's almost as if desperate times lead to desperate measures... more than democracy leading to authoritarianism.

> the only form of government to have nuked civilians is a democracy.

The US is as far away as you can get from democracy and still call it a democracy.

[dntbnmpls]

> Besides the fact that we naturally evolved toward them since everything else we tried so far was worse ?

Oh god, the silly "documentary" trope. Let me guess you heard that from a silly documentary with churchill? The same applies to democracies as well. We had them and they failed and we "naturally evolved" from them. It's almost like all forms of government are bad and have a shelf life. You do realize that the ancient greek democracy failed miserably right?

> And the fact that people are fleeing authoritarian regimes risking their lives to get into democratic ones daily yet the opposite never happened ?

No. People are fleeing poorer regions to wealthier regions. Most of the migrants around the world are from democracies not authoritarian regimes. Did you know that 1.3 billion people are without electricity? Do you also know that almost all of them are living in democracies? Did you know that almost all of the world's poorest countries are democracies?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/world-without-...

> When you put lions in cages they're still lions.

That excuses everybody, not just democracies. What bizarre rationalizations.

> Right, open an history book and it'll be painfully obvious that the vast majority of authoritarian regimes are worse than being "not inherently good".

Yes, open a history book and it'll be just as painfully obvious the same applies to democracies. Most of the human suffering around the world today are in democracies. Most of the wars started around the world today are by democracies.

> It's almost as if desperate times lead to desperate measures... more than democracy leading to authoritarianism.

So it's the desperate times and nothing inherent with the form of government. Okay, now you are starting to make some sense.

> The US is as far away as you can get from democracy and still call it a democracy.

Pretty much the definition of modern democracy. But you are right, we are a republic and that also is inherently flawed.

I used to think like you because I consumed the same documentaries and propaganda as you did. I agree with you that people should "open a history book" and look at what really happened. Most of the world's suffering in the past 200 years was caused by democracies sadly. It still applies today sadly.

[roenxi]

> There is nothing inherently good about democracies. After all, democracies have exterminated continents full of people...

You might have missed the reason why democracies are so popular; they win wars and they are capable of managing the complexities of capitalist systems. If you expect anything inherently good in politics you are in for a lifetime of disappointments because the entire game (in any political system) is deciding which group of undeserving people get to be in charge.