[rijoja]

From my research on alternative keyboard research (http://tbf-rnd.life) I've come into contact with the author of (and managed to piss of) the author of talon. Seems like a competent solution, even though I haven't been able to dig that deep into it on account of not being a mac user (until know)...

There'd be some back and forth regarding it's suitability for coding over there. Much better support than I expected apparently...

Still as a general solution I do believe it has drawbacks, noisy environments etc.

[lunixbochs]

Hi, I believe you are referring to this [1]. I wasn’t feeling pissed. I was critical of your dismissive tone, as I felt your post was possibly harmful to people who may be looking for solutions. You had said something along the lines of “voice coding can’t work well because Siri doesn’t recognize code” which is a surprising conclusion from a flawed premise.

As a generalization, you seem to be coming up with reasons you _think_ voice coding won’t work well, while ignoring the fact it already does. For example, noisy environments have several very good solutions, such as using microphones designed for them, leaving the environment, or software to reduce noise like Krisp.

The biggest realistic drawback from my perspective is the fact it’s not very quick at mousing, which is why I’ve done a bunch of research on fused eye/head mousing as well.

[1] http://tbf-rnd.life/blog/2019/05/21/hello-world/#comment-25

[rijoja]

I would like to apologise for that. You really made me think and know that I've become a mac user I have the opportunity to try your solution out. The blog post was intended in a rather light tone. My intention was to add the more in depth analysis in the book.

Now that I am a mac user I finally have the chance to take a look at your solution. I do think that I have a lot to learn and do not think that the areas of research are in conflict at all.

All the best and good luck!

[lunixbochs]

Funny timing on switching to Mac, as Talon now has a triple platform beta. If you’re looking to get an accurate (pun intended) read on things, make sure to try the beta wav2letter engine or try Talon with Dragon. Apple’s MacOS speech engine was never as accurate or comfortable to use, and as of Catalina it might be more accurate but it’s broken for Talon’s use case anyway :(

[rijoja]

Also, regardless whether you would be trying to tie in a custom chorded keyboard, plug in voice recognition or control your computer with a single muscle there would be a certain overlap in integration with computer software. That'd be the rationelle for creating a repository / loose collection of interoperable solutions so that when you have e.g. a great voice recognition platform you could have it working with N platforms straight away. Instead of having all the new interface attempts having to write all of this boilerplate from scratch. Let's say interface for eclipse, ubuntu, windows, chrome, ...

Along with benchmarks for testing the performance and in a more or less sciency fashion compare them to each other. An overlap would also exist in other areas such as word prediction and probably many more.

[lunixbochs]

Talon isn’t a fundamentally just a voice control framework. It’s a general platform for bolting on accessibility tooling, because as you’ve said a lot of the requirements are related.

[rijoja]

ah really glad to hear that! Will need to get a linux laptop as well. Am using a macbook for work now but I'd like to have a linux box as well. Will try out on several platforms as well! Will try to give you feedback on what I think!