[simmers]

I've received two used products from Amazon (bought as "new") in just the last year. First was an espresso machine. It wasn't even cleaned - coffee grounds were everywhere. The second was a robot vacuum that had a full dust bin. After turning it on, I could see the previous owner's home layout in its memory. In both cases, the product still worked and it wasn't worth the hassle of returning. Whenever I buy something, I make sure to check for non-Amazon alternatives, even box stores.

[jimmaswell]

Going off Amazon's just not worth it in my experience. Slow and/or expensive shipping (week/weeks vs 1-2 days), no/limited returns (4wheelparts for example deducts shipping costs from a return if you had free shipping, which is already factored into thw price so they're double dipping), no canceling often (4wheelparts again), worse search/interface, and no 5% back from my card. I only order outside Amazon as a last resort these days.