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by vkou 2317 days ago
How is he currently being tortured in prison?

TFA does not answer this question.

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It is our opinion that Mr Assange requires urgent expert medical assessment of both his physical and psychological state of health. Any medical treatment indicated should be administered in a properly equipped and expertly staffed university teaching hospital (tertiary care). Were such urgent assessment and treatment not to take place, we have real concerns, on the evidence currently available, that Mr Assange could die in prison. The medical situation is thereby urgent. There is no time to lose.
It's based on observation in court only.

Also, Assange's health was in strong decline before he was released from the Embassy, which could be a factor: https://medium.com/@doctors4assange/concerns-of-medical-doct...

I'm not saying there isn't torture happening, just that there isn't much evidence to the claim that he's being tortured right now.

The article implies that the 7 years he spent in the embassy prior to his arrest amounted to torture.

IMO, at best we could dub his deterioration in the embassy as "self-inflicted", or more accurately institutional neglect on the part of the governments involved.

"... prior to his detention in Belmarsh prison in conditions amounting to solitary confinement, spent almost 7 years restricted to a few rooms in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. Here, he had been deprived of fresh air, sunlight, the ability to move and exercise freely, and access to adequate medical care."

Extensive solitary confinement is criticized as a form psychological torture. If you're familiar with the US detention system, the treatment of Assange might seem pretty commonplace, the international community generally considers this a form of torture.

Which, one, is Assange's fault for staying the embassy rather than facing the court system. But you could give him that if he truly believed that there was a conspiracy against him and that he couldn't get actual justice.

Then, two, it's Ecuador's fault that he's confined to a few rooms, can't exercise, can't get sunlight, etc. I mean, doesn't their embassy have windows somewhere?

Everyone tries to make this Britain's fault somehow. I can't see it.

Does it matter? He's limping, pale, unable to answer basic questions.

"Oh, it's only waterboarding, that's not real torture..."

Torture is torture.

I think it hints at psychological torture
You'd figure that if he was being tortured in prison, TFA could actually say so, and we wouldn't need to try to glean hints. Yet, if you follow the references [1], you'll see a fantastic sleight of hand. [2]

Assange spent 7 years in self-imposed exile in the embassy. Throughout this period of time, torture experts have determined that he is showing the psychological symptoms of a torture victim.

In April, he was imprisoned. Torture experts continued visiting him, and have continued observing that he was showing the psychological symptoms of a torture victim. Shockingly, neither prison, nor his conviction for skipping bail make him better.

No evidence that anything about the condition of his imprisonment constitutes torture has been provided. Instead, people point at him, and say that he has clearly been traumatized. That is true - but all evidence points to the trauma being inflicted during his self-imposed exile.

[1] https://medium.com/@doctors4assange/concerns-of-medical-doct...

[2] The sleight of hand, of course, is blaming his current imprisonment on medical problems that he picked up during his self-imposed exile.

Did you want some sort of torture-detecting-machine where Assange puts in his fingers and the machine beeps loudly with flashing lights?

Doctors have observed, reported, documented, and endorsed that he is being tortured. I don't know what else you could possibly want.

No, I'd like some evidence for one of these two claims:

1. Prisoners in Belmarsh are routinely tortured.

2. Prisoners in Belmarsh are not routinely tortured, but Assange in particular is being singled out for a surprise helping of torture in Belmarsh.

Neither TFA, nor its sources provide any evidence for either of those two things. What they do provide is evidence for the much less incendiary, and less surprising claim of:

1. Assange has not gotten any better since his self-imposed exile.

> Doctors have observed, reported, documented, and endorsed that he is being tortured.

No, they haven't. If you disagree, please cite sources. Ones that don't do the bait-and-switch of pointing at the medical problems he acquired during his pre-incarceration living conditions, and using that to 'prove' the entirely unrelated claim that he is being tortured in Belmarsh.

I strongly doubt that such sources exist, because if they did, publications like TFA would directly, and unambiguously cite them, instead of dancing around the truth.

Assange is a political prisoner and clearly his treatment and situation is different from the rest, so a comparison isn't helpful.

The source is the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. It's linked in the very top of TFA. Sorry you don't like the truth and are yourself trying to dance around it

Why does it matter if he's a political prisoner, or a shoplifter? He's either being tortured, or he's not.

> The source is the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

I have read TFA, I have read its sources, and I see no evidence that points to him currently being tortured, as I have said three times in this thread. Is there a specific passage that you would like to highlight?