[chadlavi]

Maybe I've drunk too much of the koolaid, because I have never noticed one of these "ads". I don't use apple music or apple tv, and my phone has never pushed these services on me. It's not like they toss an alert when I open Spotify to ask me if I'd rather use Apple Music. Where are you getting served these ads?

Are you talking about getting upsold to a paid apple music subscription while listening to apple music for free? (Do they even have a free tier?) Or getting shown an option to upgrade icloud storage when looking at icloud settings? Because... those seem fair enough. Pay for the services you use.

[asiachick]

I see the music ads. As one example if I click "Search" (which I do to search my own music) even before I've typed anything there are "trending" recommendations. As soon as I click to make the search active it defaults to Apple Music, instead of Your Library. I switch to "Your Library" but for whatever reason from time to time it ends up back on "Apple Music".

Other times I accidentally press the heart icon at the bottom thinking it's my favorites but it's an ad is are "browse"

If I could replace the default music player I would.

[chadlavi]

> even before I've typed anything there are "trending" recommendations

How is that an ad?

> As soon as I click to make the search active it defaults to Apple Music, instead of Your Library.

How is that an ad? The apple music app defaults to searching the apple music service.

> Other times I accidentally press the heart icon at the bottom thinking it's my favorites but it's an ad is are "browse"

I don't even know what that sentence means but that's the "for you" recommendations section. Even if it doesn't work if you don't pay for Apple Music, how is that an ad? This is a gated feature.

I agree that it doesn't sound like the apple music app is a good experience for you, but none of those are ads.

[asiachick]

Recommending something I have to pay for not on my phone is an ad by almost any definition of ads. When I go to google and search I get many recommendations which are ads. All of the results in the Music app are links to sign up for Apple Music. That's an ad. If those recommendations were only for music on my phone they would not be ads. If those recommendations were just for random webpages that contain related music they would not be ads. But as a non-subscriber to Apple Music they are all ads for Apple Music.

[latexr]

> It's not like they toss an alert when I open Spotify to ask me if I'd rather use Apple Music.

Yet. They do throw an alert when you launch Chrome to ask if you’d rather use Safari[1], so your example doesn’t seem far off.

[1]: http://danieljwilson.me/2019/10/16/a-catalina-double-standar...

[chadlavi]

This discussion is about iOS. As far as I know they don't do that there?