[zuckluni]

to everyone theorizing.

why? first, whether you say it's aliens or "the government", face it, both those concepts are black boxes to invoke to explain the unexplainable, ergo they're equivalent explanations, or different valence, same kind

second, why be so quick to grasp and reduce it to a theory? why not just be a little bit comfortable with the discomfort of an unresolved tension? why just not be a little bit comfortable with an unanswered question, an unknown, a mystery, something amazing and wonderful and unable to be explained? why the need to rush to explain it reaching and grasping and expose yourself to the error of putting your need to explain it in front of actual accuracy?

you can't end up with something good like that. you just satisfy your need of an explanation but why not just be comfortable with the question, with the mystery?

That's a problem without secular world.... people need to get more comfortable with the mystery otherwise it's the stupid anthropomorphic point of view that says nothing a human can see outside it's tiny stupid ignorant little box exists... why not just do the easy thing and acknowledge okay there's a whole lot of fucking mystery out there I'm not going to rush to say it's this or that I'm just going to be okay with, "okay there's a lot of stuff I don't fucking know"

that seems like the rationale sensible and to be honest happy perspective to take

why everyone wants got to be so crazy to rationalize and theorize and reduce it to some story when nobody has any fucking idea at all? isn't that just psychosis?

do yourself a favor don't believe anything just keep an open mind don't rush to believe cuz you most likely believe in something that's fucking crazy

[tgflynn]

Well if humans had always followed the approach you suggest they would never have mastered fire or discovered agriculture. Would you rather be living as a hunter-gatherer or some non-human primate ?

[zuckluni]

What i'm really saying is in this case the theorizing has gotten in it's own way, isn't that obvious? i'm saying we should try to understand, but you gotta have the courage to face the mystery first, so you can see it clearly, without these kaleidoscope distortions preventing you from ever seeing the data you need to get understanding.

point of theory is to gain understanding, no? but if you're using theory as a stick to beat other people with, and if the theory is preventing people looking at the data (that you could turn into understanding), or if it's not falsifiable, then it's not helping.

you can't disprove the government creates all this as a psyop. but that 'theory' discourages people from taking the evidence seriously. you also can't disprove 'it is all aliens' but that theory discourages (perhaps another set of people) from taking the data seriously.

theories are good! except when they're not. and in this case they've gone fucking crazy. it's like sportsteams. there's no rationality. and science won't touch it, that's the problem. these pathetic theories are in way. they might be fun (to cheer for) but they're not helping understanding.

that's what i'm saying. that's the problem. or one of them, duh.

[tgflynn]

Well, I don't see how you can make progress without formulating theories (more correctly, hypotheses).

I think the problem is when people become attached to a particular hypothesis. Many people seem unable to accept that they only have sufficient information to assign probabilities to different hypotheses and instead always assign probability 1 to their favorite hypothesis and 0 to all the others.