[not_skeptic]

Yeah, so I am curious here, why do you believe anything humans are capable of building can do what these objects are reported as doing? I ask this in all seriousness because I don't think you, me, or anyone else alive can answer how they do basically any of the stuff reported. This makes it hard for me to believe that not only has someone actually answered all of those questions, but actually mastered the science and fielded the requisite tech to do these things. I've seen this argument advanced before that this is super secret squirrel shit the boys out in NM are cooking on, but there's always this really big gap in what we can do and what these things do. What's your guess on how the boys filled that gap?

[tgflynn]

One possible theory is that they aren't massive objects at all but instead are some sort of 3D projection in the air, probably involving plasma produced with high powered lasers, RF beams or particle beams. That would require technology that isn't publicly known but probably doesn't violate any laws of physics. However if you believe the claims made in this article that high-ranking officials have excluded the possibility that the events were due to any US SAP then this possibility becomes more remote. I think if anyone on Earth has this technology it would be the US, simply because they spend so much more on defense than any other country.

[egfx]

Interesting that there is a good amount of circumstantial evidence that leads this way. I saw the phenomenon with other witnesses as well 22 years ago and I simply cannot rule out projections. Seems simple enough and able to explain it all. But then again there is supposed to be physical evidence which would contradict everything I just said. Now that would be something.

See my previous comment on the topic https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21860860

[fingerlocks]

Once when I was standing on the summit of a mountain on a sunny, clear day in the PNW I witnessed an astounding sight: two mountain peaks “stacked” on top of each other on the horizon, like a glitchy sprite in a video game. I thought I was hallucinating, it was insane. The “top” peak would move, warp, and distort as you walked towards lower elevation.

I found out later this is a rare mirage that occurs when a thermal inversion causes light on the horizon to bend.[0]

if this occurred at night and those mountain peaks were replaced with something like car head lights, I may have walked off that mountain as a UFO believer. I’m not saying this explains away all the UFO sightings. Only suggesting that there could be a lot rational, yet obscure, explanations that haven’t been considered.

[0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fata_Morgana_(mirage)

[34679]

>why do you believe anything humans are capable of building can do what these objects are reported as doing?

I believe they exist because of the videos and statements. I believe they're man made for the reason I stated above.

>What's your guess on how the boys filled that gap?

That's a lot harder to answer. The short version is, I have no clue. We could speculate forever. We do know that stealth technology existed for years before the public was informed, as one example of many. And we know that agencies like DARPA and programs like Skunk Works exist and are extremely well funded specifically to develop new technologies for military use. I submit that we do not know about every technology these sorts of entities have created. How far those technologies go? Man, I'd really love to know! I'm hopeful these videos are a glimpse of that.

[andrewflnr]

> you, me, or anyone else alive

One of these is not like the others.

Why do you think it's less plausible that humans have this technology than any other intelligent entity? There's no real reason to believe there's a sharp line between "human" and "other" capabilities. If the alternative is literally aliens, it's not a large stretch to imagine that once you've had the right insight, a Mach effect drive or something similar is possible.

The part of that story that's harder to believe is that we could have successfully kept it hidden this long.