[vertig0h]

Welcome to Europe. European salaries in general are low. Take home pay too, and goods and services are much more expensive. It's important for people to realize this, that "free" healthcare, education, etc. are far from free.

[growse]

I'll take "paid parental leave, not being let go on a moment's notice and not being bankrupted by unforeseen medical issues for everybody" over "a bit more cash just for me".

It's also worth noting that the U.S' "not free" healthcare costs the taxpayer more than (for example) the U.K.'s "free" system (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...). It's almost as if the word 'free' is not a useful term to use when describing government-subsidised services.

[unlinked_dll]

It's somewhat disgusting but these aren't issues faced by many tech workers. We're paid well, hard to hire, and get great benefits.

[n4r9]

This isn't a very common opinion, but I'd rather contribute to a system that has free healthcare and a better safety net, even if I get lower (but still comfortable) pay, even if I'll never directly benefit from it myself.

[n4r9]

Not all goods and services are more expensive, in my experience. I've been living in Cali (not bay area) for a couple of months now and the price of fresh fruit and veg in the shops is outrageous compared to UK. Bell peppers for example seem to cost two or three times as much, even though California is the top producing state in the US. Eating out in restaurants is definitely more expensive when you factor the tip in, whilst fast food is comparably priced. The only good that I've found to be noticeably cheaper is petrol.

[Silhouette]

The only good that I've found to be noticeably cheaper is petrol.

And that is because the vast majority of the price of petrol here in the UK is tax (in fact, multiple taxes). Successive UK governments have long used tax policy, on fuel and otherwise, to deter the use of wasteful, highly polluting vehicles. This has arguably been somewhat successful, though it will be a moot point within a generation in any case because eliminating petrol and diesel vehicles entirely is clearly the goal for several good reasons.

[n4r9]

Not only that, but the US heavily subsidises fossil fuels.

[unishark]

Bell pepper pricing is just bizarre.

Plenty other forms of produce are dirt cheap. You can eat fruits and salad every day and do it cheaper than any other country I've been to, as long as you don't insist on outliers like multi-colored bell peppers in your food.

As for restaurants, technically fast food counts as restaurants. So I'd be surprised if the US wasn't one of the cheapest in the developed world there too. Hard to compare if you want to factor in quality though.

[n4r9]

True, fast food is probably a bit cheaper than the UK, especially when considering cost relative to average disposable income. I've found the prices of a lot of fruit and veg surprisingly high though, including things like oranges, onions and eggplants. Also, bread! Can't find a loaf less than $1.79 in the local Cali supermarkets but would be able to get one for 80p or less in the UK.

[killerjoe]

Correct. I can barely reach 120k usd in a fairly high salary eu country, while with the same expertise in USA could go easily above 300k

[lhopki01]

Odd. I was on 143k usd before I left London and now work remotely for about 188k usd for a UK company. This was was with stock options as well.

I'm still contacted by recruiters for salaries around that so the jobs exists.

All anecdotal but it does mean it's possible.

[Silhouette]

I was on 143k usd before I left London and now work remotely for about 188k usd for a UK company. This was was with stock options as well.

As a salaried employee, that would be exceptionally high in almost any field. Obviously some such jobs exist, but unless you're a very senior figure in a relatively well-paid industry, you're an outlier at that compensation level.

[lhopki01]

I was a tech lead for a team in a startup but not particularly high.

I know other people that were on similar salaries and I had friends who did the same thing as contractors that had much higher day rates.

[Silhouette]

I don't doubt you, but I suspect your startup was relatively well-funded and generous with its team. I know people who have earned that kind of money as well, but it's well outside the central part of the curve, even in tech and in London, for someone on salary. For independents with a good track record, sure, it's less unusual.